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Old January 6, 2019, 12:11 PM
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It's time to upgrade from my current Athlon II X2 250.

1. What YOUR PC will be used for. Gaming (1440p, preferrably) [fairly current titles and a bunch of older games on Steam], Web browsing, watching movies. Generally only have 2 or 3 things running at the same time. That means what types of tasks you'll be performing.

2. What YOUR budget is. $2000 Canadian

3. What country YOU will be buying YOUR parts from. Canada

4. IF YOU have a brand preference. Leaning toward AMD CPU, Ryzen 7 2700, FreeSynch

5. If YOU intend on using any of YOUR current parts, and if so, what those parts are.
-keyboard, mouse, speakers, optical drive, Win 10 Pro

6. IF YOU have searched and/or read similar threads.
Done some research, want to go micro ATX.

7. IF YOU plan on overclocking or run the system at default speeds.
May overclock, not looking at setting records.

8. WHEN do you plan to build it?
-Within the next month

9. What resolution and settings do you use?
For gaming, preferably 1440p with high to medium settings .

10. Are there any specific technologies you want?
-Micro ATX, USB 3.0, SSD SATA3 6.0Gb/s, Case must have 5 1/4 drive slot (got a ton of DVDs and BluRays.

Parts currently considering:

PCPartPicker part list

CPU: *AMD - Ryzen 7 2700 3.2 GHz 8-Core Processor ($359.99 @ Memory Express)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master - MasterLiquid ML240L RGB 66.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($88.99 @ PC-Canada)
Motherboard: MSI - B450M GAMING PLUS Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($112.75 @ Vuugo)
Memory: *Team - Vulcan 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($129.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: Samsung - 860 Evo 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($179.99 @ Memory Express)
Video Card: *Gigabyte - Radeon RX 580 8 GB AORUS 8G Video Card ($229.99 @ Memory Express)
Case: Thermaltake - Versa H15 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($44.99 @ Mike's Computer Shop)
Power Supply: *EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($89.99 @ Memory Express)
Monitor: *HP - OMEN 32.0" 2560x1440 75 Hz Monitor ($446.99 @ PC-Canada)
Total: $1683.67
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

This worked out to be less expensive than I had budgeted for, so I'm curious as to what "upgrades" might be suggested.
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Old January 6, 2019, 12:57 PM
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For primarily gaming, Intel is the best choice.
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Old January 6, 2019, 01:06 PM
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It's time to upgrade from my current Athlon II X2 250.

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This worked out to be less expensive than I had budgeted for, so I'm curious as to what "upgrades" might be suggested.
I'd probably recommend a (minimum 500/512GB) M.2 NVMe drive as your main OS drive on top of the 1TB SATA SSD.

edit: More a personal preference than anything else, but I wouldn't buy a motherboard that didn't have optical spdif.
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Old January 6, 2019, 02:26 PM
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Any particular reason why Micro vs regular and ATX ?


If your planning on a decent GPU (which you will need for your 1440P 75 Hz and up to High settings)...cooling would be my concern...hence a regular ATX and mid size case...


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For primarily gaming, Intel is the best choice.

Although Im always about Intel wouldn't this statement be based loosely on preference? I thought the new Ryzon line up was pretty darn good now?
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Any particular reason why Micro vs regular and ATX ?


If your planning on a decent GPU (which you will need for your 1440P 75 Hz and up to High settings)...cooling would be my concern...hence a regular ATX and mid size case...





Although Im always about Intel wouldn't this statement be based loosely on preference? I thought the new Ryzon line up was pretty darn good now?
While the Ryzen 2700x does come close it still can't beat the Intel 9900k and 9700k at gaming. But it is also much cheaper and then there are the new Zen2 chips (Ryzen 3xxx series) that we should know more about in a couple days. And if leaks prove true then they might just be a better bet than the Intel chips.

Honestly I would not buy any cpu/motherboard right now. I would be waiting for the info from AMD this week and then make a decision.
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While the Ryzen 2700x does come close it still can't beat the Intel 9900k and 9700k at gaming. But it is also much cheaper and then there are the new Zen2 chips (Ryzen 3xxx series) that we should know more about in a couple days. And if leaks prove true then they might just be a better bet than the Intel chips.

Honestly I would not buy any cpu/motherboard right now. I would be waiting for the info from AMD this week and then make a decision.

If your seriously considering AMD then for sure....wait...if Intel and "mostly gaming"....on a bit of a budget:
- z390 and 9700K
If $$$ can allow it z370 9900K
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If your seriously considering AMD then for sure....wait...if Intel and "mostly gaming"....on a bit of a budget:
- z390 and 9700K
If $$$ can allow it z370 9900K
I am waiting until I see what the numbers are. Already have the gpus, just want to upgrade board and cpu. I was originally wanting the 9900k, but lack of stock and high price combined with the leaks about the Zen2 chips have made me decide to wait, a little bit.

That said, if the Intel chips are still better at gaming than the new 3700x for example, then I will go with them. I have preferred Intel for years and would prefer to stick to them but will only do that if it makes sense with regards to both price and performance.
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I'd suggest going with a GTX 1080 Ti or RTX 2080 or RTX 2080 Ti. The RX580 is going to struggle at 1440p. Unfortunately AMD doesn't have any high performance video cards at the moment. I don't think FreeSync at 75Hz is really going to make any difference.

And yes, a 500GB NVME SSD for your OS/Apps would be ideal. Use the 1TB SATA SSD for games and whatever else. Or just get a 1TB NVME drive (WD Black or Crucial P1 for example) if you don't need any additional space.
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For primarily gaming, Intel is the best choice.
Best choice is very subjective especially with how narrow that margin is between Ryzen parts and Intel counterparts in gaming performance. What if he's gaming at above 1080P where GPU matters more?

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I'd suggest going with a GTX 1080 Ti or RTX 2080 or RTX 2080 Ti. The RX580 is going to struggle at 1440p. Unfortunately AMD doesn't have any high performance video cards at the moment. I don't think FreeSync at 75Hz is really going to make any difference.

And yes, a 500GB NVME SSD for your OS/Apps would be ideal. Use the 1TB SATA SSD for games and whatever else. Or just get a 1TB NVME drive (WD Black or Crucial P1 for example) if you don't need any additional space.
AMD has the Vega 56/64 which are high performance video cards which are good enough for 1440P.

NVMe is overpriced in $/GB compared to 2.5" Sata counterparts. Besides the deals on NVMe and Sata SSD's have disappeared ever since New Years largely. They're back to their regular prices.
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Best choice is very subjective especially with how narrow that margin is between Ryzen parts and Intel counterparts in gaming performance. What if he's gaming at above 1080P where GPU matters more?
If you disregard price then no it is not subjective. Looking at Gamers Nexus, you can see the fps differences:

F1 2018 @1440 avg fps
2700(oc'd to 2700x) 201fps
9900K 238fps
7700K 221fps
4790K 205fps

Assassin's Creed Origins@1440

2700(oc'd) 99fps
9900K 121fps
7700K 100fps
4790K 86fps

So while yes the differences will reduce a bit with higher res and higher graphic settings, the Intel chips still come out on top, at least for now. We will have to see what Zen2 brings.
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