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Old May 24, 2011, 11:56 PM
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excited to have my first post on hardwarecanucks!

i do database development work and my seven year old system is finally starting to show its age. particularily when i have to run an oracle 11g database and middle tier development tools with embedded webserver.

important components of my current system are:

motherboard: msi 865pe neo2-ls
power supply: seasonic ss300fs 300w
video card: msi geforcefx 5600 vivo 12 (serial number 0308922294)
processor: intel p4 2.6ghs 800 sk478
memory: 4 x 512mb ddr pc2700 kingston

i've just got a new ultrasharp2410 so i'm itching for something new, fast, quiet and small! should be easy, right?

hopefully i can get good gains from a build consisting of:

ASUS P8H67-M Evo REV3.0 mATX H67 LGA1155
Intel Core i5 2500 Quad Core Processor LGA1155 3.3GHZ
Corsair XMS3 CMP16GX3M4A1333C9 Dominator DHX+ 16GB DDR3 4X4GB DDR3-1333
OCZ Vertex 2 Extended Sandforce 120GB 2.5IN SATA2 Solid State Disk Flash Drive SSD x 2
Corsair Cooling Hydro Series H50
Silverstone Sugo SG04B-F mATX Mini Tower Case Black
Silverstone Strider 750 Gold 750W Modular Power Supply ATX 24PIN 135mm Fan 62A 80+ Gold Black

i'd love to know if i could get away with a fanless psu? the strider psu has a short cable kit which looks interesting... but i probably don't need 750W?

i'm pretty dissatisfied with all mATX cases that i see, unfortunately... would love to see something very portable with no optical bays and only internal 2.5" bays! i love mITX but that really limits my ram does it not?

additionally, is this system going to be significantly faster then my old?

any ideas or input most appreciated!
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Old May 25, 2011, 12:37 AM
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significantly faster, yes

going from a 2.4 ghz p4, single core
to a 3.3 ghz quad core
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Old May 25, 2011, 12:33 PM
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can someone advise me on the psu? are the psu size calculators on the web providing peak wattage requirements?

now i'm thinking about a "Seasonic X-560 ATX 12V 24PIN 560W Active PFC 80PLUS Gold Modular Power Supply W Sanyo Denki Fan" as i'd like something quiet. the X-650 jumps in price signigicantly...
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Old May 25, 2011, 01:52 PM
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If your sticking with onboard video I think 400 watts would be lots. If your concerned about price something cheap and decent quality starts around here ....
Newegg.ca - CORSAIR Builder Series CX430 V2 430W ATX12V v2.3 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply

The seasonic you have chosen would be nice too, more than you need but nothing wrong with that.
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Old May 25, 2011, 03:17 PM
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If your sticking with onboard video I think 400 watts would be lots. If your concerned about price something cheap and decent quality starts around here ....
Newegg.ca - CORSAIR Builder Series CX430 V2 430W ATX12V v2.3 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply

The seasonic you have chosen would be nice too, more than you need but nothing wrong with that.
thanks!!
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Old May 25, 2011, 03:38 PM
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Any PSU around the 500W range should be sufficient. I'd personally skip over the Corsair Builder Series though since you have an other wise top-quality part list. Perhaps either of these: NCIX.com - Buy Seasonic M12II 520W EPS12V 20/24PIN ATX PFC 80+ Bronze Modular Connectors 6PIN PCI-E 120MM Fan - Seasonic Electronics - M12II 520 - in Canada OR NCIX.com - Buy Silverstone Strider 500 Plus 500W Modular Power Supply ATX 24PIN 120MM Fan 34A 80+ Bronze Black - Silverstone Technology - ST50F-P - in Canada Modular cabling will be quite helping in a mATX case IMO.

Also I'd say drop the H50. No point really as you'll be running stock, and the H50 is probably louder than the stock heatsink anyhow. Would be a tight squeeze in that case you picked too.

You definitely don't need Corsair Dominator RAM. Waste of money really. I'd just grab 2 of these: NCIX.com - Buy Mushkin Enhanced Silverline Stiletto 8GB 2X4GB PC3-10666 DDR3-1333 9-9-9-24 Dual Channel Memory Kit - Mushkin Enhanced - 996770 - in Canada

And I'd recommend looking at the Corsair Force 3 or OCZ Agility 3 instead. Not too much more money, but should be a fair bit faster as they utilize SATA6.
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Old May 25, 2011, 04:24 PM
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thanks jd! most helpful!

the strider was of interest as i mentioned... because silverstone have a short cable set thats available.

i'll skip the h50 then for the time being.

had no idea i would be missing out on sata6 with my ssd selection... wrong!

i'm curious... "back in the day" it was considered good practice to have at least three different storage devices. one for the OS, one for programs and the last for data. any ideas whether this is still valid with ssd technology?
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i'm curious... "back in the day" it was considered good practice to have at least three different storage devices. one for the OS, one for programs and the last for data. any ideas whether this is still valid with ssd technology?
That practice holds true to some extent, but with SSDs and their huge performance benefits, you don't really need to separate things across SSDs. You should still keep a backup of everything on a secondary device though.

Most people keep their OS and daily applications on the SSD and not much more. Though in your case, I imagine your databases/servers would run much quicker on the SSD as well.

I'd probably consider getting only 1 240GB SSD as the 240GB models typically perform much better than the 120GB models. And if budget allows, have a 1-2TB 7200RPM HDD alongside to store static content like backups, documents, media, etc.
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last question here... how will onboard intel hd graphics 3000 be compared to my geforce fx 5600? i'll have to go with a K series cpu... i also understand that i can get a dedicated gpu for the h67 if things are what i'd like. i don't play games but i am on second life once in a while.
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last question here... how will onboard intel hd graphics 3000 be compared to my geforce fx 5600? i'll have to go with a K series cpu... i also understand that i can get a dedicated gpu for the h67 if things are what i'd like. i don't play games but i am on second life once in a while.
If you can play your games on your old card, the new integrated graphics will be more than enough.

I'd look into an Intel SSD though, longer warranty and a much better track record when it comes to hardware life.
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