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Old September 25, 2008, 04:00 PM
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Yes I agree, with a 24inch monitor the 4870 will be fine for any new releases for a while yet. Crossfire is a great option too with further price drops on the 4870.

As a worst case scenario you might have to turn down the AA to compensate for the memory buffer...by the time you do that, though, with a 24inch monitor none of the current cards are likely going to be able to pump out really decent frames.

The ATI cards also use their memory more efficiently than NVIDIA (something that seems to be forgotten in some recent discussions) so 512 isnt all bad unless youve got a 30inch monitor for future 2008/early 2009 games and want lots of AA.


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If it were me, I'd be looking at a 4870 instead, but there's no denying that a 280 will offer a bit more future proofing on the rig.
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Old September 25, 2008, 04:55 PM
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My only beef here is that I've always been an nvidia fan (But I must be truthful and say that to date I haven't had a problem with an ATI card) and that the GTX 280 is the fastest (single core) card on the market. But I'm willing to explore the options.
If I were to have two Diamond Radeon HD 4870s running crossfire would that trump the performance of a GTX 280?
This meaning I'd get 2 4870s and drop to a 22" monitor. Therefore paying close to the same amount but saving a little.
Or would it be better to get a 4870x2 instead of the 2 running crossfire?

I mean are 2 4870s running crossfire equivalent to a GTX 280 in performance? I want to be able to run the new games coming out on the highest settings, would I be able to run them as high with the Radeons instead of the GTX 280?

Also I see on the cards (in pictures) that it says AMD on them (the 4870s) Is that going to cause problems with an Intel chipset and/or processor?

What I'm trying to get at is that I want to get something that's good enough that I don't have to upgrade for a while. That's why I've been trying to go so big on these components.

Edit: I also see a 1GB version of the 4870, what's the deal with that? 750Mhz compared to the GTX 280's 602Mhz?!?! That much better of a card?

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Old September 25, 2008, 05:17 PM
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My only beef here is that I've always been an nvidia fan (But I must be truthful and say that to date I haven't had a problem with an ATI card) and that the GTX 280 is the fastest (single core) card on the market. But I'm willing to explore the options.
If I were to have two Diamond Radeon HD 4870s running crossfire would that trump the performance of a GTX 280?
This meaning I'd get 2 4870s and drop to a 22" monitor. Therefore paying close to the same amount but saving a little.
Or would it be better to get a 4870x2 instead of the 2 running crossfire?

I mean are 2 4870s running crossfire equivalent to a GTX 280 in performance? I want to be able to run the new games coming out on the highest settings, would I be able to run them as high with the Radeons instead of the GTX 280?

Also I see on the cards (in pictures) that it says AMD on them (the 4870s) Is that going to cause problems with an Intel chipset and/or processor?

What I'm trying to get at is that I want to get something that's good enough that I don't have to upgrade for a while. That's why I've been trying to go so big on these components.

Edit: I also see a 1GB version of the 4870, what's the deal with that? 750Mhz compared to the GTX 280's 602Mhz?!?! That much better of a card?
You should just get ONE 4870 right now and save some money. Also running two 4870s beat the GTX280 by a longshot. You should have a look at some of SKYTML's reviews. Right now, I can play Crysis Warhead all on Gamer settings without much lag, so obviously it wouldn't lag on nearly all games to date.
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Old September 25, 2008, 05:24 PM
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But that's just it, I'd rather spend the money now (when I have it) than at a later time when I need to and don't have it. Wouldn't it be easier to get an overkill video card(s) for now and upgrade a monitor later?
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Old September 25, 2008, 05:29 PM
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Bang-For-Buck the highest end card is never a good deal. It's like the high end quads that were discussed earlier in this thread.... you pay an awful lot of money for that extra 10 - 15% FPS.
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Old September 25, 2008, 05:33 PM
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Bang-For-Buck the highest end card is never a good deal. It's like the high end quads that were discussed earlier in this thread.... you pay an awful lot of money for that extra 10 - 15% FPS.
You're meaning the GTX 280 there? Meaning the 4870 is a better card?
Or do you mean both of them are the same in that sense?
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Old September 25, 2008, 05:35 PM
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The 280 on its own is a better card, but the chances of you seeing any difference outside of benchmarks are pretty slim. It's your money, but IMO, the 280 isn't worth the money ATM... if you really feel the need to bump up, at least look at a 4870X2 to save yourself a few bucks. (hehe.... I'm sure retailers everywhere are cringing.... :) ).
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Really I still stand by my suggestion of a 24" monitor and 1 4870 card, and as you can see lots of people agree with that. That is the best option I can think of in your situation really. As for your question for 2 x 4870s in CF, that will leave a GTX 280 far.

Here have a look, SKY recently did a testing on Crossfire results for both 4870 and 4850: http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum...-review-5.html .. and those are done with older drivers, every month ATI released drivers, especially in Vista they seem to give a slight increase in performance, not huge, a slight one though. And as you can see a 4850 Crossfire also beats out a GTX 280, which is younger brother to 4870.
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Old September 25, 2008, 07:30 PM
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After a lot on consultation and looking at the reviews and statistics, I think with a 24" monitor I'll get 2 Radeon 4850s in crossfire. That out performs the GTX 280 (on most occasions) especially on the engine that Call of Duty World at War will be running on, and for the price it seems like the best deal. Compared to the 2 4870s in crossfire, there isn't enough of a difference to warrant spending $150 more on those cards while having to downsize to a 22" monitor.

So you crazy canucks have torn me away from the GTX 280. /cry.
Dual 4850's will be the way to go UNLESS someone on here tells me that they won't be able to run the newer coming games at full res high graphics. Or if it sounds like a dumb idea. I think it's the best choice for my situation as I don't feel comfortable with just one 4870 (because from what has been said it still lags at times) I want good frame rate with good performance at high res and graphics and I'm hoping dual 4850s will do that for me. PLUS buying them both, it's still cheaper than a GTX 280 HAHA!
What's the difference between Palit, Diamond, Sapphire, etc.?

What do ya think?
I feel it's a good compromise.

NCIX.com - Buy Diamond Radeon HD 4850 512MB GDDR3 PCI-E Dual DVI-I HDCP HDTV Out Video Card - 4850PE3512 In Canada.
(I hope that's the right card)

The only downside I can see to these cards is that they run REALLY hot with the puny fans. Apparently you can change the fan speeds but I have to ask if there's a way to mod the Cosmos S case to accomodate a fan blowing on the cards to help cool them.

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Old September 25, 2008, 07:46 PM
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Yeah, that sounds like the best thing to do right now. The 4870 does lag sometimes, but that usually is just an OS problem. It use to lag in CS for me, but after I reinstalled my OS, it was fine.
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