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NVIDIA Fermi GT300 Video Cards A Fake?  

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Posted by FiXT— October 2nd, 2009, 11:30 AM

nvidia gt300 fermi fake phoney 300x223 NVIDIA Fermi GT300 Video Cards A Fake?gt300 300x225 NVIDIA Fermi GT300 Video Cards A Fake?Despite all the hype over the reveal of the new NVIDIA Fermi based video cards earlier this week at the GTC 2009 conference, it would appear NVIDIA is even further behind in production of their next gen technology than originally anticipated. So far behind in fact, that CEO Jen-Hsun Huang was forced to go onstage and proudly display a dummy card.


Yes, that’s right, as it stands Fermi based video cards are just a hunk of PCB, plastic and metal; a very nice looking, futuristic paperweight. NVIDIA reps confirmed the phony news with Hardware Canucks this morning after some speculation around the web regarding the prototype’s legitimacy due to the lack of soldering points and pins on the back of the card, along with various  alignment issues, blocked off venting so one couldn’t see inside the cooler and the use of common household screws to hold it all together.


It’s far from a scandal; the card’s physical appearance when released (at least the Tesla model) is very likely to mimic what was shown onstage, but it does serve to prove just how far away we are from seeing these cards on store shelves. Earlier this week, rumour speculated that consumers may be seeing the first of the cards in late November 2009, but in light of this fake card announcement, that seems all but impossible. Original estimates of a 2010 first or second quarter debut for the technology is far more likely.


NVIDIA does however insist that the live Fermi demo’s viewed at the conference were run using the Fermi cards, they were just to ugly to publicly showcase. They may be around in some fashion, we just haven’t really seen them….yet



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Comments (62)

  1. Yamcha's Avatar
    Yamcha

    October 2, 2009 12:13 PM

    Looks power hungry, I saw other pics, and it looks like there an 8pin at the back and 6pin on the side..

  2. canmx120's Avatar
    canmx120

    October 2, 2009 12:22 PM

    Looks like they're feeling the heat from ati so they had to stir up some hype about a card that isn't even close to production. "Oh wow, that card is so small!" is what they want us to think, but of course it looks small, its a fake so they can make it whatever dimensions they want.

  3. Mike_E's Avatar
    Mike_E

    October 2, 2009 12:25 PM

    Yep...pretty fake card...you should see how the solder doesn't even align to the power connectors..LOL!

  4. Yamcha's Avatar
    Yamcha

    October 2, 2009 12:27 PM

    ROFL, my bad, I didn't even read the post just saw the picture :P haha.. I guess nvidia really has some catching up to do.

  5. El_Fiendo's Avatar
    El_Fiendo

    October 2, 2009 12:38 PM

    Eh, no biggie. The looks are the last things to get refined on a product release. As for them wanting us to think the card is small, its the same size as the current cards. I can't see it getting any bigger so I'm not too certain what you're thinking they're trying to do.

  6. rjbarker's Avatar
    rjbarker

    October 2, 2009 01:17 PM

    Reading the preliminary information it will be well worth the wait, honestly, I won't be looking for a "next Gen" Card that produces a minimal gain from my current Cards, but something that will "blow me away", although the new ATI Cards are impressive, I think the best is still yet to come.....a few more months...no biggie!
    Be a little while longer before I sell my 280's.... ;)

  7. SKYMTL's Avatar
    SKYMTL

    October 2, 2009 01:19 PM

    While the card was a mock-up, the demos at the keynote were done on working hardware.

  8. esperasoppa's Avatar
    esperasoppa

    October 2, 2009 01:43 PM

    But that working hardware might be so so big, or some other problems. If the speculations are right at the intro date of second quarter, man Nvidia is going down this time. Fermi has to be so powerful (maybe twice that of 5870) or Ati will just be able to catch up until then. This is assuming Fermi is more powerful than 5870 of course, like how Nvidia is so confident at it.

  9. geokilla's Avatar
    geokilla

    October 2, 2009 02:33 PM

    ATI/AMD is going to LOVE the GPU market. Can't believe NVIDIA had to put up a fake GPU.

  10. SKYMTL's Avatar
    SKYMTL

    October 2, 2009 02:37 PM

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by geokilla View Post
    ATI/AMD is going to LOVE the GPU market. Can't believe NVIDIA had to put up a fake GPU.
    Why? They couldn't pull the working units out of the demo box quick enough to get it to the press conference. I see nothing wrong with that.

    The main issue here is that they didn't say anything to the media before displaying the mock-up.

  11. El_Fiendo's Avatar
    El_Fiendo

    October 2, 2009 02:37 PM

    I doubt they had to reinvent the wheel entirely and will be shipping us a 500 pound GPU. I'm a pessimist myself but sometimes you guys take it to ridiculous levels. This card will likely be a carbon copy of those before it (no bloody jokes about the rebranding stuff ). At worst it will be a little bigger, like how the 5870 currently is. At best it will be a little smaller. Likely outcome? The same 10.5 inch package its been for awhile now.

    Just because they have a development cycle that takes them a couple of months past their main competitor will not spell doom for the company, nor does it mean the product they're developing will bomb. Throughout Nvidia and ATI's history there's always been offset dates of releases, and shockingly both are still here.

  12. belgolas's Avatar
    belgolas

    October 2, 2009 02:55 PM

    Seeing as the 5870 is not that far off of nvidia's CURRENT line I see no reason why nvidia's next gen cards won't be faster. Who cares if he held a fake. It isn't the first and certainly won't be the last. Development models can be expensive and if you only have 1 in the entire world I am sure you won't be waving it around and possibly damage it. Also I believe the wait will be worth it. We find out for certian if the nvidia card is better and the 5870 will have a price drop. At the very least you will be better informed and make a wiser choice on where to put that hard earned money. I believe it would be foolish to jump to conclusions.

  13. FiXT's Avatar
    FiXT

    October 2, 2009 03:15 PM

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by El_Fiendo View Post
    I doubt they had to reinvent wheel entirely and will be shipping us a 500 pound GPU. I'm a pessimist myself but sometimes you guys take it to ridiculous levels. This card will likely be a carbon copy of those before it (no bloody jokes about the rebranding stuff ). At worst it will be a little bigger, like how the 5870 currently is. At best it will be a little smaller. Likely outcome? The same 10.5 inch package its been for awhile now.
    Quote:
    Who cares if he held a fake. It isn't the first and certainly won't be the last. Development models can be expensive and if you only have 1 in the entire world I am sure you won't be waving it around and possibly damage it.
    True, but the fact of the matter is, they couldn't even have a working model ready for the first ever solely NVIDIA, GTC conference; if they can't even have one for their CEO to display at the biggest NVIDIA event of the year - then that really says something about how far away they are from actual production models.

    From everything I've read, these units are neither quick, nor cheap to manufacturer and "supposedly" according to the occasionally right, C Demerjian, have yields at 2%.

    As it stands, they only have a "looks" prototype and frankencards that can seemingly only perform predetermined calculations. Everything is in the "pre-Alpha" stage, to borrow a software term and they are announcing it, showing off a "sample" and debutting its power like it is ready to hit shelves next week.


    EDIT: Deleting fail analogy

  14. El_Fiendo's Avatar
    El_Fiendo

    October 2, 2009 03:34 PM

    Oh don't you go bring Charlie into this. His article was refuted by Nvidia via Fudzilla I believe anyways.

    Nah, I agree we won't be seeing any for some time, but honestly I think its no big deal. There's always been paper launches, and I don't get antsy to buy until prices start dropping. It sucks that they had to do a mock-up this year, but if they're smart enough, they'll plan it better next time. Get their chickens hatched first in other words. If they don't and they continually bring in mock-ups, then they're gluttons for the public's punishment.

  15. Sushi Warrior's Avatar
    Sushi Warrior

    October 2, 2009 03:43 PM

    That 2% rumour is TOTALLY false. It was a bad translation. I think they had the rest of the cards tied up possibly so they just threw the cooler over an older card. Since all the demos were run on working hardware I don't see why it's a big deal.

  16. KeepSix's Avatar
    KeepSix

    October 3, 2009 06:01 AM

    I am never going to buy an nVidia product again.
    Ever.

    Not even chipsets.

    I can't believe nobody else thinks is a big deal.

  17. mattlef's Avatar
    mattlef

    October 3, 2009 06:56 AM

    I'm going to go on the record say that this will blow up in nVidia's face worse then the Sony Black Versus White PSP campaign. They blatantly tried to pull the wool over consumers eyes, and its my estimation they will pay heavily for it in the bottom line.

  18. Sagath's Avatar
    Sagath

    October 3, 2009 07:17 AM

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mattlef View Post
    I'm going to go on the record say that this will blow up in nVidia's face worse then the Sony Black Versus White PSP campaign. They blatantly tried to pull the wool over consumers eyes, and its my estimation they will pay heavily for it in the bottom line.
    When, or rather, if they are selling 'old tech' 2xx seriest stuff for sub-200 I would agree they will be paying heavily. This situation seems eerily similar to when AMD got caught by C2D without their next gen stuff even in the pipe. And then when it did come out, it was seriously underpowered comparatively. If we are talking a six to nine month gap (which I think is realistic if they only have 8 working models from the fab...) this is going to be a huge sales-hole in nV's pocketbook.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by KeepSix
    I am never going to buy an nVidia product again.
    Ever.

    Not even chipsets.

    I can't believe nobody else thinks is a big deal.
    Oh come on now. Quit being a narcissist and thinking somehow because they showed a working card with a fake model in hand that they are the Devil Reincarnate. Jesus man. I dont even know what else to say to this comment without getting into a flame war. Anti-Fanboism is nearly as bad as Fanboism on this site. Give it a rest. nV fked up. This time. Whoopie.

  19. Sushi Warrior's Avatar
    Sushi Warrior

    October 3, 2009 01:09 PM

    All this says is that the PCB layout isn't finished, they even have the cooler design mostly done.

  20. El_Fiendo's Avatar
    El_Fiendo

    October 3, 2009 04:43 PM

    No Sushi, as can be seen above and around the net, this is apparently treason, an act of war, a gross misconduct, rape, and many other nasty bad things all wrapped into one. Obviously the only solution is to burn them at the stake! To think, showing models instead of actual products? I'm pretty sure that breaks the eleventh commandment!

    Thou shalt not provide paper launches or demo models in press conference.

    That's a tough one for the evil devil company NVIDIA not to break. Heathens.

  21. MpG's Avatar
    MpG

    October 3, 2009 07:05 PM

    Don't forget about Nvidia's rampant slaying of kittens. Mustn't overlook that. Oh, and Jen stole your little daughter's ice cream and laughed when she cried. And I hear the original book of Revelations listed Nvidia by name. Honest. But Nvidia had a TWIMTBR(ead) program, and paid off St. John to omit it.



    Seriously, is it just me, or has the anti-Nvidia machine been working overtime lately? It always gets worse before a new launch, but it's been just plain ridiculous lately. It's actually gotten to the point where I ask if I feel comfortable owning the same video card as some of these frothing masses support. Can you imagine some of these conversations taking place in real life?

    But I'll concede this - Nvidia did break the 11th commandment - Thou shalt not get caught.

  22. KeepSix's Avatar
    KeepSix

    October 3, 2009 08:55 PM

    I know it was damage control; I know ATI/AMD and probably every successful company on Earth has delved into this realm of trickery, and I know my few grand a month isn't going to change anything. I build a few dozen systems a year. I am not a fanboi of any company by any stretch (except I always buy WD HDDs for some subconscious reason). I try to buy the best bang for the customers' buck, and it cycles back and forth. I just told a GOOD customer to hold off on the 5870, for... vapourware? It may have just lost me the price of a new GPU in profit from his mega-build. Just theoretical, but that's my itty bitty slice of this deception. I was going to boycott Intel after their fiasco, but the i7 was a tough launch to ignore. Now, I'd like to thank Intel and nVidia for making my product choices (and research) that much easier. I'm not ranting, or even angry. Just a consumer exercising my right to choose. Or maybe I'm just getting ornery in my twilight years.

  23. r0bc's Avatar
    r0bc

    October 3, 2009 09:04 PM

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by El_Fiendo View Post
    No Sushi, as can be seen above and around the net, this is apparently treason, an act of war, a gross misconduct, rape, and many other nasty bad things all wrapped into one. Obviously the only solution is to burn them at the stake! To think, showing models instead of actual products? I'm pretty sure that breaks the eleventh commandment!

    Thou shalt not provide paper launches or demo models in press conference.

    That's a tough one for the evil devil company NVIDIA not to break. Heathens.

    Dear God, Snap out of it man. They don't have a finished product...that's it, nothing more. It don't sound like you support the evil devil company anyway ..... relax.

  24. Zero82z's Avatar
    Zero82z

    October 3, 2009 09:24 PM

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Sushi Warrior View Post
    All this says is that the PCB layout isn't finished, they even have the cooler design mostly done.
    Actually, nothing is finished except for perhaps the GPU design itself. nVidia hasn't actually established any SKUs yet, meaning they don't know the final clock speeds, shader count, or other details of the cards that they will eventually bring to market. Based on the info that's out there, it'll be several months before we see anything in retail.

  25. El_Fiendo's Avatar
    El_Fiendo

    October 4, 2009 01:01 AM

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by r0bc View Post
    Dear God, Snap out of it man. They don't have a finished product...that's it, nothing more. It don't sound like you support the evil devil company anyway ..... relax.

    Twas all sarcasm.

  26. matsta31's Avatar
    matsta31

    October 4, 2009 05:28 AM

    Poor customer of you.

  27. belgolas's Avatar
    belgolas

    October 4, 2009 09:24 AM

    Well I plan this boxing day to upgrade my GPUs so it doesn't matter if nvidia releases theirs later then ati. I just hope nvidia releases before boxing day so I have more choices because I like the features of the 300 series much better than ati's. Nvidia is adding new features while ati is just making the gpu faster. I am also waiting for a 120hz 24 monitor and will jump on nvidia's 3d tech. I never liked multiple monitor gamming because the thick black line inbetween will be far too distracting so I don't care about eyefinity unless monitors get no bezel which I don't think will happen.

    Maybe I am a bit of a fan of nvidia but my experiance has been better with them so I prefer them but if nvidia doesn't have a good GTX280 then I will probably stick with my current setup till faster cards come out.

  28. SKYMTL's Avatar
    SKYMTL

    October 4, 2009 09:52 AM

    Considering everything that was said and presented to me behind closed doors and over drinks, I am confident ATI will need their dual GPU card on the market before the GeForce version of Fermi is launched. ATI seems to feel the same way or they wouldn't be running around trying to get a DX11 card into every price bracket before Q1 2010 and not sticking to hard launches.

  29. rjbarker's Avatar
    rjbarker

    October 4, 2009 09:54 AM

    Quote:
    Oh come on now. Quit being a narcissist and thinking somehow because they showed a working card with a fake model in hand that they are the Devil Reincarnate. Jesus man. I dont even know what else to say to this comment without getting into a flame war. Anti-Fanboism is nearly as bad as Fanboism on this site. Give it a rest. nV fked up. This time. Whoopie.
    Here here.....!....Owning 3 280's I could care less if the new 3xx Series Cards are out next month or 3 months from now...No speed issues or FPS issues here at all.

    I mean honestly...yes..ATI will hold the "King of the Mountain" single GPU crown..for awhile, but for folks that are into and running Multi GPU platforms..the 2 Series Multi GPU (and I would guess the Multi GPU XFire as well)..are still better performance...particularly Tri Sli arrangements.

    When thier available...their available...till then..I wait..no biggie!

  30. Sushi Warrior's Avatar
    Sushi Warrior

    October 4, 2009 10:37 AM

    I would be MUCH more happy knowing that the PCB design isn't done as opposed to the silicon not being done. PCB is very easy and fast to make, I'm sure they can produce all the PCB they need in a very short time. It's the 40nm silicon that everyone has trouble with. Nvidia is being smart and stockpiling LOTS of dies early so they don't pull a 4770 (which was a TRUE paper launch, they barely even made any). I still see it being out by late November on paper and mid December for full availability.

  31. JMCD's Avatar
    JMCD

    October 4, 2009 11:40 AM

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by belgolas View Post
    Maybe I am a bit of a fan of nvidia but my experiance has been better with them so I prefer them but if nvidia doesn't have a good GTX280 then I will probably stick with my current setup till faster cards come out.
    Me too, I've had about 10 nvidia cards, all of which never had a problem. I've had 1 ati card, and it came DOA, so they're 1/2. I know it's just bad luck, but nvidia has never let me down card wise :P

    I am not partial to either though, whatever is best for my wallet :D

  32. encorp's Avatar
    encorp

    October 4, 2009 12:06 PM

    I dunno about you guys but this rocks, I actually like Nvidia more for pulling this crap. It's the same reason I love Intel; play hard, play dirty!

  33. rjbarker's Avatar
    rjbarker

    October 4, 2009 12:19 PM

    It certainly adds to the "suspense and wait".....like kids looking forward to Christmas!!!!

  34. SKYMTL's Avatar
    SKYMTL

    October 4, 2009 01:16 PM

    I don't understand how it is playing dirty though. Playing dirty is releasing the true specs of the mass market GeForce card which would basically kill ATI's sales. And yes, that sort of release would do just that.

  35. encorp's Avatar
    encorp

    October 4, 2009 08:28 PM

    Well I agree, it really isn't playing dirty.. it's not like they are selling you a dummy card.

  36. Ramon Zarat's Avatar
    Ramon Zarat

    October 4, 2009 10:34 PM

    Hi.

    first, let's define the word "¨Principle":


    Wiki definition: A principle is one of several things: (a) a descriptive comprehensive and fundamental law, doctrine, or assumption; (b) a normative rule or code of conduct, and (c) a law or fact of nature underlying the working of an artificial device.

    We will elaborate on the meaning of (b) here. You see, as an individual, I think having principles is very important. In fact, it's so important, it's what makes everything else in my philosophy of live relevant.

    If you don't have a normative rule or code of conduct, then you can change allegiance, opinion, position, point of view, statements, what you think, what you say and everything else AS YOU SEE FIT.

    You don't think, say or do things because it make sense, because it's good, because it's right, because it's the truth. No, just because you assume your dk is bigger than anyone else and that gives you all rights.

    Those are usually called not trustworthy, manipulators, deceptive, truth twisters, lairs, bullshitter and dishonest. That's what happen when you have no rules of conduct, right? You just do what's best for you, no matter what, and you don't give a single st about the consequences, as long as it serve your own little selfish interests.

    As a person, I don't respect other people that act/behave like that. I bet everything I have you don't either. So, now that we are clear on that, the name of this thread is : NVIDIA Fermi GT300 Video Cards A Fake? I will not only comment on it, but also on the implications.

    It's obviously fake, that have not only been established without a single doubt, Nvidia themselves confirmed it!! That was not WORKING silicon, period. Now, why is this SO reprehensible?

    Let me establish this first:

    I'm sorry to say, but if you can't make the math: ATI is going super strong with the 5000 series, producing chips at a far lower cost (more chip per wafer at 40nm AND a smaller die size = double blow on margin), with already good yield and praised all over the internet + Nvidia will be at least 6 months late to the DX11 game, if not more and are already bleeding to death to manufacruer a uncompetitive GT200 (higher manufacturing cost, competing against cut throat pricing in each segment) that's loosing on all front to the 5000 = Nvidia is beyond desperate, then your DNA most probably deserve to be erased by natural selection.

    The word of Huang himself, not mine were "This puppy here, is Fermi". Nvidia is so fed up, they are so behind, they absolutely had to do a marketing move and LIE to us all. If they can do that, what else can they do and why doing it? Just to put a doubt in the mind of people currently considering an ATI 5000 purchase, period. The secondary message here is "You see, we have working silicon/card, which mean those rumors of us launching the GT300 only 6 months from now are not true, we will launch a lot sooner than that, so you should reconsider / put on hold buying an ATI 5000". It was not even subtle, but the sad thing is the average consumer will buy this "subliminal " secondary message. All this based on a lie.

    In business, (as in many other circumstances in life), the fit deserve to thrive, the weak to die. It's how it works. Here, Nvidia is trying to cheat its destiny on our back. Forget about ATI did this or that, forget about the others: don't change the subject, its Nvidia that is on trial here.

    Words are spreading fast, they have been caught with their pants down, out of pure desperation, trying to deceive us all, with an embarrassingly bad mockup at that, just adding insult to the injure, all by acting without any principles at all, trying to save their sorry ass, at the expanse off everything that we consider acceptable corporate behavior.

    After all the arguments I have put forward, if you still think Nivia was OK doing this and don't understand how low that little smoke screen was, then not only your DNA should be erased, but you should also be called an Idiot that actually like to be deceived, manipulated and lied to. I just can't be cool about this.

    NOTE: BTW, I'm currently running an Nvidia chipset motherboad with an Nvidia video card. That doesn't change anything. Bad is bad and I won't call it anything else simply because I have principles.


    Ramon Zarat

  37. MpG's Avatar
    MpG

    October 4, 2009 10:45 PM

    And next, let's define the word "Melodramatic".

  38. Prof. Dr. Silver's Avatar
    Prof. Dr. Silver

    October 4, 2009 11:00 PM

    ^^ EPIC! ROFL! Ramon Relax! :)

    AFAIK, these two businesses that you've mentioned in your post, are still in it to make money. Whether they do that by selling 'actual' cards or they 'sell' you an 'image' of a future product.... They are still selling. People like you and me are discussing nVidia(in this case) and we are actually talking about their 'latest/greatest' product..... 'coming out soon'. Hell, if I was to be nVidia at this point in time.. I'd be soooo excited that you and I are discussing this! It is better to be talked about than forgotten!

    Btw... Welcome to the Forums!

  39. rjbarker's Avatar
    rjbarker

    October 5, 2009 12:06 AM

    Wow....not bad for a 1st Post....a little over the top and yes "Melodramatic".....relax...its just another GPU.....and I can guarentee it won't be the last one either.....btw..welcome to a Captilast Society & HWC!

  40. belgolas's Avatar
    belgolas

    October 5, 2009 04:01 AM

    Ok lots and lots of companies show off fake products. How about pretty much every game company out there. You see a game months to years ahead of release without a fully working model. Then half oh them release a game that isn't fully working. I could do more expamles but you get the idea. ATI is currently dominating the market and nvidia can't fight back except with words and a few demos. The fact is they showed demos with fermi running so they have something. Also I believe that by the time nvidia releases their cards they will easily dominate the high end again. The 5870 seems to be competing with current gen cards. They are just to market first with DX11 but there are no DX11 games for awhile so I am not that excited yet. I would like to wait till both companies have their cards released because it will create a lot more compition. At the very least prices will fall.

  41. Frank Encruncher's Avatar
    Frank Encruncher

    October 5, 2009 04:43 AM

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by encorp View Post
    I dunno about you guys but this rocks, I actually like Nvidia more for pulling this crap. It's the same reason I love Intel; play hard, play dirty!
    A little bit of rebranding... I mean substution

    Nvidia for Compaq
    Graphics card for computer
    ATI 5870 for IBM AT
    ATI for IBM
    YouTube - "One Million Pound Ransom!" - JOHN CLEESE Compaq Commercial


    The stuff you can find on Youtube is amazing.

  42. Sagath's Avatar
    Sagath

    October 5, 2009 05:15 AM

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Ramon Zarat View Post
    Wiki definition: A principle is one of several things: (a) a descriptive comprehensive and fundamental law, doctrine, or assumption; (b) a normative rule or code of conduct, and (c) a law or fact of nature underlying the working of an artificial device.

    We will elaborate on the meaning of (b) here. You see, as an individual, I think having principles is very important. In fact, it's so important, it's what makes everything else in my philosophy of live relevant.
    Garbage.

    Everyone get off their damn high horses. If you want to talk principles and how 'Holier then thou' you are, don't try to impose your principles and morals on others. Because that is 10x worse then showing a fake card. That is imposing your will on others. There is no 11th commandment that states they have to hold in their hand a real card. Show me where this doctrine of Principles is in the buisness world that nVidia broke, please!

    If nVidia doesnt get GT300 working soon, they will pay with their pocket books. nVidia, you, and I all know this. The rest is perfectly stated by MpG. Melodrama.

    Jeez, some of you in this thread are nearly as bad as CBC news for trying to dig dirt and blow it out of proportion.

  43. CMetaphor's Avatar
    CMetaphor

    October 5, 2009 05:37 AM

    Once again:

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SKYMTL View Post
    The main issue here is that they didn't say anything to the media before displaying the mock-up.
    Can we all drop this now? They should've mentioned or at least not concealed the fact that they did not have a working card (in the retail sense) to display at their conference. That's it.

    Yes, I saw the demos they were running too so it's obvious they have some kind of working hardware in the background based off Fermi that IS working. However, take it from me, "working" on a double-wide dev. PCB that sticks way out of a case and actually having a "working" Retail model are entirely different. I think Nvidia is being delayed and tried to cover it up, boo hoo. lol.

  44. Sushi Warrior's Avatar
    Sushi Warrior

    October 5, 2009 06:17 AM

    Apparently Fudzilla is going to be getting some pics of a working, retail GT300 sample soon.

  45. TimTheEnchanter's Avatar
    TimTheEnchanter

    October 5, 2009 07:11 AM

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by El_Fiendo View Post
    No Sushi, as can be seen above and around the net, this is apparently treason, an act of war, a gross misconduct, rape, and many other nasty bad things all wrapped into one. Obviously the only solution is to burn them at the stake! To think, showing models instead of actual products? I'm pretty sure that breaks the eleventh commandment!

    That's a tough one for the evil devil company NVIDIA not to break. Heathens.
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by r0bc View Post
    Dear God, Snap out of it man. They don't have a finished product...that's it, nothing more. It don't sound like you support the evil devil company anyway ..... relax.

  46. encorp's Avatar
    encorp

    October 5, 2009 07:57 AM

    Haha God this thread is epic. It's like Nvidia raped your children or something!

  47. Nemaster203's Avatar
    Nemaster203

    October 5, 2009 08:07 AM

    Someone said there's no DX11 games out yet, but BattleForge is supposedly DX11 compatible, according to MaximumPC, I havn't looked anywhere else for it yet though.

  48. rjbarker's Avatar
    rjbarker

    October 5, 2009 10:31 AM

    Quote:

    Haha God this thread is epic. It's like Nvidia raped your children or something!
    Yeah its pretty "epic" eh...most of the folks bitching likely won't be spending the $500 - $600 for this Card when its finally released anyhow....

  49. CMetaphor's Avatar
    CMetaphor

    October 5, 2009 10:38 AM

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by rjbarker View Post
    Yeah its pretty "epic" eh...most of the folks bitching likely won't be spending the $500 - $600 for this Card when its finally released anyhow....
    Ahhh, and therein lies the biggest possible hurdle for Nvidia: "What will it cost?"

    Too expensive, and everyone will continue to scramble to ATI, save the hardcore folders and serious users of GPGPU/Cuda.

    Too cheap, and they'll loose too much profit (which they may need after their recent lawsuits and the like) and might cause themselves further problems later down the line because of it.

    Time will tell.

  50. FiXT's Avatar
    FiXT

    October 5, 2009 10:44 AM

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by CMetaphor View Post
    Ahhh, and therein lies the biggest possible hurdle for Nvidia: "What will it cost?"

    Too expensive, and everyone will continue to scramble to ATI, save the hardcore folders and serious users of GPGPU/Cuda.

    Too cheap, and they'll loose too much profit (which they may need after their recent lawsuits and the like) and might cause themselves further problems later down the line because of it.

    Time will tell.

    I think their saving grace will be the fact that with the advancements in CUDA technology, that they will gain support from server style environments and other grand scale projects that want to utilize GPU computing and no just focusing on computer gaming and regular desktop use.

    As AMD has shown, the server/business sector is far more lucrative than the regular desktop and you can keep your company afloat by simply catering to just these markets

  51. rjbarker's Avatar
    rjbarker

    October 5, 2009 10:52 AM

    I think for the "average" gamer mild Bencher thier will always be more demand for the "Economy Cards" anyhow...how many folks on this Forum are runnning high end Multi GPU's...or 295's...vs those running single 2nd best....
    Your right Met.....hang on and see...

  52. SKYMTL's Avatar
    SKYMTL

    October 5, 2009 11:24 AM

    My thoughts? Nvidia will leverage the higher sales of Tesla and Quadro cards to allow for lower priced GeForce series.

  53. Perineum's Avatar
    Perineum

    October 5, 2009 12:07 PM

    From what I've ever seen from all these announcements of ANY sort, it's always like this.... Company "A" releases a new product, mass hysteria ensues. Company "B" does a quick paper launch and takes away some sales from Company "A" due to those "fence sitters".

    It's normal in every line of business to do this. And it makes sense.

    You could have an item for sale that is 10x the value of the first for sale, but for most people once the money is spent it's gone. All you are really doing is informing the consumers of something they can buy.

    I'd probably feel a bit different if I waited all this time and didn't buy an ATI card and then found out the GTX300 series was faster clocked 2x0 series parts then... yeah. I'd be pissed, I suppose.

  54. Dr_BenD_over's Avatar
    Dr_BenD_over

    October 5, 2009 12:09 PM

    Nvidia ate my baby!

  55. Frank Encruncher's Avatar
    Frank Encruncher

    October 5, 2009 12:23 PM

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SKYMTL View Post
    My thoughts? Nvidia will leverage the higher sales of Tesla and Quadro cards to allow for lower priced GeForce series.
    BFG, XFX, eVGA, and Zotec will love that squeeze on the profit margins.

  56. SKYMTL's Avatar
    SKYMTL

    October 5, 2009 12:37 PM

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Frank Encruncher View Post
    BFG, XFX, eVGA, and Zotec will love that squeeze on the profit margins.
    I meant on the supply side rather than the AIB side of things. Profit margins for their partners should remain the same. The professional and mobile markets are where the money is while the gamer market can be used as a testing ground so to speak.

  57. divertiti's Avatar
    divertiti

    October 5, 2009 05:05 PM

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by belgolas View Post
    Seeing as the 5870 is not that far off of nvidia's CURRENT line I see no reason why nvidia's next gen cards won't be faster.
    LMFAO, that's a good one buddy, too bad even a 5850 renders Nvidia's CURRENT single GPU line-up completely irrelevant, let alone the 5870.

  58. Sushi Warrior's Avatar
    Sushi Warrior

    October 5, 2009 05:20 PM

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by divertiti View Post
    LMFAO, that's a good one buddy, too bad even a 5850 renders Nvidia's CURRENT single GPU line-up completely irrelevant, let alone the 5870.
    Comparing last gen cards to current cards isn't exactly fair. Just give Nvidia a bit of time. ATI will rule the market for now but the future is very uncertain. Just imagine that if a 5870 beats a GTX285 by 20% then GT300 will be 100% faster than the 285 roughly (double the cores, faster memory. 58xx was 2x as fast at 48xx so GT300 will be at least 2x as fast). That means GT300 should theoretically be 60% faster or so.

    Number example -
    GTX380 - 160
    5870 - 100
    GTX285 - 80

  59. Sagath's Avatar
    Sagath

    October 5, 2009 06:08 PM

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Sushi Warrior View Post
    Number example -
    GTX380 - 160
    5870 - 100
    GTX285 - 80
    Depending on your frame of reference, sure. That was using an ATi FoR. If we use a nV reference frame as the benchmark, then it would be 80% faster.

    GTX285 100
    ATi5870 120
    GTX380 200

    God I hate the fact that Physics taught me this metric. Guess its time to go back to homework Someone please give me some escape so I can delay this further?

  60. Nate0007's Avatar
    Nate0007

    October 8, 2009 08:23 AM

    It is so funny to read all your posts and see how everyone is either on one side or the other, sometimes somewhere in the middle.
    The Truth is...

    Here is what WE know.
    1. The board that Jen-Hsun held up and proclaimed "This puppy here is Fermi" was indeed a lie. There are now multiple sites reporting this.

    2.The demo that was shown to the people that attended was just that. A demo ,nothing more and nothing less. A demo of a working Fermi card ? That nobody knows except for Nvidia .
    There is not one person who was there that can say it was indeed a demo of Fermi. Only Jen-Shun said it was, no other sources ( other then Nvidia engineers ) can know fro 100 % what was being displayed on the screen was infact Fermi Card in a system running.

    That is ALL we know. Of course you can say all you want about how the Board might be fake but the presentation part of it was Real but that doesn't make it true.
    People can say allot of things but the truth is sometimes not the truth unless it is there right in front of your eyes and then you can not deny it.

    As for Mock ups and Prototypes , how many times have you seen or herd of a prototype of something ( say like a Future car ) only to find out that in fact the company will not make that so called prototype after all. Sometimes they do but it turns out to be different or sometimes it never makes it to production.
    Basically showing a working Copy of something and showing up with in you hand that just resembles other manufactured items is totally different.
    For sure Nvidia are working on Fermi but untill it is released so that others can test it and sample it , all the BS that is typed about it everywhere is just that. We will know what Fermi is once it is released and not sooner.
    So unless you have a working copy in your hands or are an engineer working with one from Nvidia id say lets wait and see what they finally come out with.
    Hopefully it will be something competitive and priced to match.

  61. belgolas's Avatar
    belgolas

    October 8, 2009 04:11 PM

    Welcome to the forums Nate.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Nate0007 View Post
    People can say allot of things but the truth is sometimes not the truth unless it is there right in front of your eyes and then you can not deny it.
    ?
    The truth is not the truth? Well you can't change what is true and truth can not be false so your statement is incorrect.

  62. E86's Avatar
    E86

    October 9, 2009 03:43 PM

    Pretty sad, looks bad for Nvidia.

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