Go Back   Hardware Canucks > CASES & COOLING > Water Cooling

    
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #31 (permalink)  
Old August 18, 2010, 09:19 AM
AkG's Avatar
AkG AkG is offline
Hardware Canucks Reviewer
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 4,332
Default

Why do people think in order to get "true" water cooling you need to do it yourself? Is a custom botqiue build PC any less a PC because someone else put it together for you? Yes you will spend more for it then doing it yourself, but to many people TIME is MONEY and they rather have it done for them by professionals. The end result is the same: enjoyment of their new item.

To put this another way, no one demands that in order to have "true" air cooling solution you need to build/put together the cooler yourself. So why treat water based CPU cooling solutions differently?
Your certainly will not get argument from me on price vs performance of a custom loop vs a pre built. You are paying for time and effort of having someone else do it for you.

Your certainly will not get argument from me on less enjoyment and satifaction of a job well done from building a custom loop vs a pre built. As these are a plug and play solution. No hassle factor. No complicated learning curve.

But these units are still water cooling solutions. To say otherwise is to be extremely short sighted. Yes this still only a single bay rad but there are dual rad pre-builts out there IF someone needs even more cooling power, BUT it a great first step for new comers to water cooling to gain some confidence in the "safety" of water cooling. Not many learn a new language by jumping in and moving to a different country where their native tongue is not spoken. Most buy "lean to speak XYZ" books and audio. They take courses, etc and over time get into more advanced and more in depth real world usage...OR they don't and are happy with their new-found ability at a minor level. The H70 and CoolIT Eco are the equivalent water cooling first steps. Nothing more, nothing less.
__________________
"If you ever start taking things too seriously, just remember that we are talking monkeys on an organic spaceship flying through the universe." -JR

“if your opponent has a conscience, then follow Gandhi. But if you enemy has no conscience, like Hitler, then follow Bonhoeffer.” - Dr. MLK jr
Reply With Quote
  #32 (permalink)  
Old August 18, 2010, 09:49 AM
fishingfanatic's Avatar
Hall Of Fame
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Hamilton Ont
Posts: 1,249

My System Specs

Smile Water Cooling

Oh no, I agree. The common belief is if it isn't some massive cooling system it's not a true water cooling unit. Thus the wc crowd doesn't consider it as such. Yes it is, it's a small step forward. Most who I've talked to balked at these pre manufactured wc kits. I'm not a wc guy yet, thought of getting one of these pre man.
units for my 480, but still have problems getting over having a liquid cooling system in a pc.
As I mentioned b4 though, a wc system should cool all the components, cpu,gpu, nb,sb, and in some cases the memory as well to be considered a true wc unit. I honestly don't recall where I read this, but it's all subjective to me.
Does it really matter? Not in my humble opinion, but it's not much of one as I'm still on the beginner's end of pcs.
If I've offended anyone, my apologies.
Reply With Quote
  #33 (permalink)  
Old August 18, 2010, 09:16 PM
AmuseMe's Avatar
Hall Of Fame
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Lloydminster & Saskatoon
Posts: 1,587
Default

There is water flowing through it cooling your CPU - its water cooling. No matter what people say is it still water-cooling - yes. Just let me live with my arrogance - I'll keep it away from here for now on :) Just to keep me out of trouble.
__________________
DEAD CA$H
Reply With Quote
  #34 (permalink)  
Old August 19, 2010, 06:20 AM
b1lk1's Avatar
Hall Of Fame
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Lindsay, Ontario
Posts: 2,502

My System Specs

Default

I've built many custom loops as well as reviewed many prebuild water loops. Water cooling is water cooling. To state that you have to assemble it yourself with risk to be real water cooling is pure ignorance. I guess those cars you drive are not real cars. The house you live in is not a real house. The food you eat is not real food. Cut it out people, the world does not need this kind of BS and if you can't get over yourselves then just don't post.
__________________
MY HEATWARE
Reply With Quote
  #35 (permalink)  
Old August 19, 2010, 08:39 AM
Rison's Avatar
Allstar
F@H
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Truro, NS
Posts: 936

My System Specs

Default

As stated before, when I think water cooling - I think of loops people build, design and maintain.

If I went to a friends house.. and they said "hey man, check out my water cooled rig" and I saw an H70.. i'd be laughing at them. Call me arrogant, but it's the same as someone putting a sewer pipe on a Honda civic and calling it a "sports car".
__________________

Quote:
I'll learn to manage my anger, when people learn to manage their stupid.
Reply With Quote
  #36 (permalink)  
Old August 19, 2010, 11:14 AM
Banned
F@H
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: mtl
Posts: 12,694
Default

call it 'an easy way out' of building and spending appropriately for a wc setup :)
Reply With Quote
  #37 (permalink)  
Old August 19, 2010, 11:57 AM
Top Prospect
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 52
Default

It still is water cooling how else do you think the heat is removed from the cpu by the H5/70? water cooling needs liquid, pump, rad, and tubing last time I checked the H5/70 has all those things. I will agree that it's not really a step into water cooling because you are setting nothing up everything was done for you except installation.
Reply With Quote
  #38 (permalink)  
Old August 20, 2010, 12:16 AM
MonsterSound's Avatar
Allstar
F@H
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: YYZ
Posts: 691

My System Specs

Default disappointed with the H70

I for one am disappointed with the H70. Bottom line, it barely cools better than the H50 and costs ~$50 more ($60 vs. $102).

Their engineering seems oddly misplaced that they decided to focus on building a smaller pump assembly. This is mildly interesting but unnecessary as I don't think I heard anyone complaining about the size of the H50 pump. Meanwhile the new wide rad is bulky enough to restrict the airflow in a top mounted power supply configuration (like mine) and seems to require greater air/fan pressure to cool effectively.

I was hoping Corsair would improve the pump flow rate and increase the size of the tubing as I suspected that’s what would significantly improve its ability to dissipate heat . (but what do I know?).
Better cooling is really what I want.

I'll stick with the H50 for now as it is quiet and adequately cools (barely) an OC 24/7 folding, but "real" WC still seems to be the only way to get those temps way down.

p.s. yes I know the closed-loop H50/70 type setup is really a WC setup, but for lack of words, it's not in the same league as a custom loop.
p.p.s. doh, forgot to mention XLNT Review & Thanks
__________________
Code:
 my Heatware,  RFD &  eBay
MAIN: i5 3570 @ 4.5Ghz wH100 / evga GTX780 SOC / MSI Z77A-G45 / 8gb G.Skill 2133 1T / 30" 2560x1600 / Antec P280 / PCP&C 950w / Intel 520 SSD 240gb / Eclipse / G3-Lazer / z5300 / Win7 Pro64 / APC Xs1300
HTPC : nMedia6000B / AMD X2 4400+ / M2A-VM / Corsair 4GB 800 / LiteOn Blu-Ray / 8800GT / Samsung 46"LCD / 2x2TB / OCZ500 / ATI550 / Wrless Kbrd & Rmte / z-5500 / Win7Pro / APC700
"You must be the change you want to see in the world" 
- Mahatma Gandhi  

Last edited by MonsterSound; September 5, 2010 at 09:26 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #39 (permalink)  
Old August 20, 2010, 02:19 AM
Top Prospect
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 68
Default h50 vs h70

well I think it looks sweet, but I'm also wondering if anyone has tried mounting it outside of the case instead of inside, and running it with fans blowing air outside instead of inside... I was eying the coolit eco or the h50 also, and the price drop for the h50 makes it very interesting to me. I think the cheapest I've seen it listed is at $56... Is the h70 really worth that price difference.... and is it enough of a performance difference to justify getting the h70 and bypassing the coolit and h50 altogether?
__________________
Intel Core i5-750 2.66Ghz @ 4Ghz, ASUS P7P55D-E Pro, 4GB G.SKILL Ripjaws cas7, WDC 1Tb WD1001FALS, WDC 640Gb WD6400AAKS, OCZ Vertex 2 Extended Sandforce 60GB, GIGABYTE Radeon HD 7950 3GB 384-bit GDDR5, Corsair Hydro H70, LG GH24NS50 DVD 24x Burner, Antec Eleven Hundred, Antec TruePower New TP-750 750W, Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate x64

http://i571.photobucket.com/albums/s...osmond/1-1.jpg
http://i571.photobucket.com/albums/s...benchmarks.jpg
Reply With Quote
  #40 (permalink)  
Old August 20, 2010, 12:42 PM
Top Prospect
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 52
Default

The reason they needed to make the pump smaller was because of the thickness of the rad plus 2 fans. If they would have kept the size of the pump on the H50 it would hit the pump and I don't think it would fit unless you mount one fan outside the case.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Corsair Hydro Series H70 CPU Cooler FiXT Press Releases & Tech News 42 August 10, 2010 05:01 PM
Corsair Launches Hydro Series H70 CPU Cooler FiXT Press Releases & Tech News 19 August 8, 2010 12:48 PM
Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus CPU Cooler Review Comment Thread AkG Air Cooling 268 April 16, 2010 03:23 PM
Cooler Master Hyper N520 CPU Cooler Review Comment Thread AkG Air Cooling 3 June 8, 2009 07:54 PM