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Old October 13, 2007, 04:46 PM
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is this a true statement??? The guy is telling me the little h20 120 Swiftech compact on a system pretty similar to mine..... scored like 1700 in 3Dmark..... as asked about the temps, but I have not heard back.....except for the statement below.


"Many people believe that adding VGA cooling to your CPU loop doubles the heat load, but in fact it doesn't. CPU and graphics are never fully loaded at the same time, except under artifical testing conditions. In real life, when you play a game, you VGA puts out heat in your system, while the CPU is around iddle, and when you run CPU intensive apps, then it's the opposite."
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Old October 13, 2007, 05:29 PM
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Well it might not double it, but generally, the GPU adds more heat to the system than the CPU, so your highest stable overclock will be eroded somewhat- possibly not more than you can live with though- up to you, but at some point you lose the advantage that water has over air, and you're better off saving your money.
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Old October 13, 2007, 05:35 PM
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is this a true statement??? The guy is telling me the little h20 120 Swiftech compact on a system pretty similar to mine..... scored like 1700 in 3Dmark..... as asked about the temps, but I have not heard back.....except for the statement below.


"Many people believe that adding VGA cooling to your CPU loop doubles the heat load, but in fact it doesn't. CPU and graphics are never fully loaded at the same time, except under artifical testing conditions. In real life, when you play a game, you VGA puts out heat in your system, while the CPU is around iddle, and when you run CPU intensive apps, then it's the opposite."

Consider this then...... if your CPU (on air) runs at 50c load and 28c idle, and your GPU runs even hotter than that (60-70c+ load), then even with the CPU at full idle, the heat off of the GPU is going to be more than what a CPU would normally put out under full load.

It's possible that you'd get temps which wouldn't fry your components, but they'd be a hell of a lot higher than I'd be comfortable with.
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Old October 20, 2007, 05:32 AM
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alrighty boys "n" girls...... i have decided to try and piece together a kit instead of buying a pre assembled kit. Also, if the purchase does go through, the unit will be completely external, housed in a home made box, hopefully something that resembles my Antec 900. So.... Rad, res, pump, hose, clamps, CPU block, 2 gpu blocks, heatsinks for around the CPU, coolant (i have a question about that later on)..

So....

Radiators (price is a factor, but need 3 rad system)(looks (surface finish) are not important)

- Danger Den Black Ice GTS Stealth radiators (theres a few that look all the same with the 3 fan setup)
or
-Swiftech MCR 320 Cooling Radiator

Pumps

- Danger Den DD12V-D5 Variable Speed Pump
or
- Swiftech MCP655 fixed or variable Speed Pump

CPU water

- Swiftech Apogee™ GT
- Swiftech Apogee GTX
- Swiftech MC14 heatsinks

Gpu Blocks

- 2x Swiftech Full Coverage Stealth blocks

Hose

- dunno, need to make sure I understand all the fittings are the same size first

Clamps

???????

Fluid

something Blue in colour to match the blue'sh colour of all the fans and such



Can anyone pop in and add or cross anything of the list. Do I need a viariable speed pump or a fixed speed. I would like to purchase mostly the same brand if I can, Im that kinda of person. Are the triple rads from Swiftech just as good as the rads from DD??

I appreciate your time and help guys... thanks... I need to re-read through the post to make sure that nothing was already suggested in regards to individual pieces.


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Old October 20, 2007, 06:01 AM
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Radiator...
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.p...cture=Swiftech $50

Gpu Blocks...
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.p...cture=Swiftech $120 x 2

CPU block...
Swiftech APOGEE GTX LGA775 CPU Water Block 1/2IN Chrome HI-FLOW Barb Fittings - DirectCanada $60

Pump...
Swiftech MCP655 12V Industrial Water Cooling Pump 1/2IN Barbs - DirectCanada $70

Reservoir...
Buy - DirectCanada $20

CPU Mosfits (i hope this is it??)
Buy - DirectCanada $15

Fluid...
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.p...ure=Fluid%20XP $40
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Old October 20, 2007, 06:26 AM
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You don't really need the fluid. Pick up some anti-algae to go with distilled water that you'll pick up yourself. You'll save $25.

Don't forget barbs and tubing. You can use plastic "zap straps" if you don't want to pick up some clamps, but clamps will look better and are re-usable.
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You don't really need the fluid. Pick up some anti-algae to go with distilled water that you'll pick up yourself. You'll save $25.

Don't forget barbs and tubing. You can use plastic "zap straps" if you don't want to pick up some clamps, but clamps will look better and are re-usable.


okay, i looked at that coollant becasue I didn't see anything else that was blue. Also, I know hose and clamps are on the list, but kinda just left them off. I do have a question about cooling fluid though. At the place where I work we have EDM machines (Electrical Discharge Machines). If your not familiar with these types of machine they simpley use "graphite" (Carbon) and electrically burn away steel to create the desired shape through arcing. The tanks are filled with what we call EDM fluid (dielectric fluid), , green in colour. Could this be somehting I could look into using instead of having to buy anything?? .


but the parts look okay to do a good job cooling?
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Old October 20, 2007, 11:14 AM
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Petra's Tech Shop

someone suggested this rad instead, but I can't find it instock anywheres!!!
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Old October 20, 2007, 11:43 AM
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someone suggested this rad instead, but I can't find it instock anywheres!!!
Yup thats a great rad, but is really hard to find.
Thermochill has a shortage to north america.
I got mine from NCIX when it was in stock. You just got to wait for it :)
Or get it from somewhere in the U.S. that has it in stock.
It will have a higher price tag on it for sure since its a hard rad to come by right now.

Alright now as for your parts.

CPU block: go with the D-Tek Fuzion it is now in stock at NCIX and cools better than the Apogee GTX.
Get the nozzle kit for the fuzion as well it helps cut down 2-3C more.

Radiator: For now that MCR320 will do uless you get Thermochill PA.120.3.
The MCR is a great rad but not better than the PA.120.3.

Pump: that D5 (655) is a good pump.

GPU block: Dont get the stealth, get the EK full coverage block. It is made from copper unlike the stealth, its made from aluminium and can cause problems in your loop.

Coolant:Dont use that "dielectric fluid"
from work! You never know what chemicals are in there and could casue a checmical reaction and ruin your whole loop.
Just use some distelled water,anti-freeze and a biocide. I make mine myself so i know exactly what goes in my loop.
For a blue anti-freeze i ordered my G11 coolant from Petras Tech shop as well as my biocide.

G11 coolant : Petra's Tech Shop
Biocide : Petra's Tech Shop

hmm link button to insert links is not working.
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Old October 20, 2007, 12:43 PM
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I am curious I wonder how much it would cost to get a rad built from a radiator shot like get a quade core built years ago when I had a 1972 V8 Vega I had to get my Radiator built because there wasn't any that would fit in my car that would keep it cool enough
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