Fusion still king for CPU?

[sswilson]

Ok, I'm finally ready to swap out my "S channel" TT cpu water block and I'm wondering what block to pick up.

It'll be dropped into my current TT loop, so any issues with flowrate or 3/8" hose will need to be taken into account.

So far, it looks to me like the fusion is still the way to go, especially since I'm not too keen on having to tweak one of the ones that needs to be "bowed" in order to get it just right.

Anything I need to consider other than remembering to order 3/8" barbs and hose clamps?

Also... the additives.... they just mix with distilled water right??? (Going to replace my 1 yr old liquid at the same time).

[Patriote]

Glad to see you are going to swap-out that TT block. But since you won't change the pump\res and rad(s), don't expect to be blown away with performance. If i'd be you sswilson, i'd just wait, get more money back and once you have enough, i'd buy a whole new watercooling kit.

A MCRES reservoir (20$), a MCR320 (47$), an MCP655 (85$), a FuZion (67$) + some tubing, additives and finally soem hose clamps. Now you'd have something to talk about.

But yeah, to answer your question, yes. I still think that the FuZion is the top notch quality CPU block available ATM. Now, if you want to get an Apogee GTX and bow it, it will then beat the FuZion. But if you get an Apogee GTX and don't bow it, then the FuZion is a better choice.

As for additives, well either Swiftech's HydrX or some G11 + Petra's PT_Nuke. Don't forget the distilled water

BTW: Last time i had a loop of G11 (10% G11 90% distilled water) + some PT_Nuke, algea still won the battle... But lots of ppls says that it's a good combo to prevent algea. And a lot have not got any algea in their build with that combo. I did, go figure why!

[sswilson]

BTW: Last time i had a loop of G11 (10% G11 90% distilled water) + some PT_Nuke, algea still won the battle... But lots of ppls says that it's a good combo to prevent algea. And a lot have not got any algea in their build with that combo. I did, go figure why!

Must have been the beer..... :)

The pump on the 745 kit is actually a lot better than the one's offered on their earlier versions and I doubt I'll be changing out the entire loop until I change to a different case.

I'm not expecting miracles, but hope that I'll see at least a 6-10c drop in temps. Considering the TT block is nothing but a big chunk of copper with a S channel through it that should be achievable. (That's why I'm looking at the Fuzion rather than going with the cheaper ones).

[Patriote]

I really doubt that you will see such difference. Maybe 5c maximum but even there, i couldn't tell as i never ran TT watercooling with a FuZion lol!

[sswilson]

Originally Posted by Patriote

I really doubt that you will see such difference. Maybe 5c maximum but even there, i couldn't tell as i never ran TT watercooling with a FuZion lol!

Well, Miso's round-up showed a 6+ C difference between the lower end Magicool block and the Fuzion so that's what I'm basing my expectations on.

We'll see..... :)

[Patriote]

Originally Posted by sswilson

Well, Miso's round-up showed a 6+ C difference between the lower end Magicool block and the Fuzion so that's what I'm basing my expectations on.

We'll see..... :)

Yeah but what was the pump and rad used?

Anyway, we'll see! Post back!

I'm interested to see what kind of difference you experience. From talking to Danny at D-TEK, he's had users reports as little as 1-2C difference. Then they replace the TT rad and pump, and all of a sudden it's more like 10C.

Apparently replacing just the rad or just the pump has the same effect (very little) unless you replace the CPU block as well though.

Haven't tested it myself though, so this is just hearsay.

stay tuned for my next CPU water block review.... The FuZion is not the king of the HWC charts anymore. I have no idea why, but I changed out my rad for a PA120.2, and now the APOGEE GT = the FuZion and the APOGEE GTX>FuZion...

[Patriote]

Originally Posted by Misoprostol

stay tuned for my next CPU water block review.... The FuZion is not the king of the HWC charts anymore. I have no idea why, but I changed out my rad for a PA120.2, and now the APOGEE GT = the FuZion and the APOGEE GTX>FuZion...

Looking further for this Miso!

Oh and thats what i thought for replacing only the CPU block with the FuZion. Anyway, i am curious to see this as well!

[sswilson]

Based on what I've seen here, I've decided to stick with the appogee gt as I can't justify spending twice the price on something that sounds like it's not going to make that big of a difference unless I change the whole loop.

I'll let folks know how I make out.

[sswilson]

Ok, so I've got the Apogge in my hands now and it's got the extra larger o-ring.

I should install that right for better performance???? (There is no insert with the block which mentions the larger o-ring)

I've already spent half an hour trying to get it installed... what a freaking pain trying to get it in the slot, and the base plate tightened down!!!! :)

haha yeah it's a bit of a challenge. It took me about 20 mins to do the GT, and about 5 mins to do the GTX once I had practice. I find it works to kinda stretch the O-ring a bit first. You just gotta keep at it. Some people's o-rings seems harder to do than others'.

Some people are reporting it being dead easy, while others report it being a total pain.

[sswilson]

Heh.... I install o-rings daily for my job, but they're supposed to go into round slots!!!!! :)

(This is the putting a round peg into a square hole test isn't it........ :) ).

I also had fits trying to figure out what the "diamond direction" insert was all about.... I was trying to find a difference between the input and output holes.

All became clear once I decided to tackle the o-ring........... :)

[3.0charlie]

On my Swiftech kit, I have the Apogee Vanilla, which with also came with the o-ring. I didn't install it, didn't bother with it.

My E2140 is screaming at 3.0GHz, but load temps are 40C, as I type this.

Is it really necessary?

[sswilson]

Originally Posted by 3.0charlie

On my Swiftech kit, I have the Apogee Vanilla, which with also came with the o-ring. I didn't install it, didn't bother with it.

My E2140 is screaming at 3.0GHz, but load temps are 40C, as I type this.

Is it really necessary?

It's not necessary, but apparently does improve temps.

Seems to me when Miso did his first WB roundup there was a rather large difference on the GTX with and without the bowing that the larger O-ring causes.