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Trevor February 16, 2009 08:51 AM

Complete Noob Needs Help
 
Hey guys, in a few days I'll be ordering my new rig which will contain:
GTX 280
E8400
750W Power Supply
Antec 300

The idea of this was to make a compact machine with the utmost future proofing. To further enhance this I wish to include some cheap WC. This is something completely unknown to me so I would like you to help me out by suggesting a setup that is versatile and compact for as cheap as possible for the CPU and in the future, GPU.

Thanks in advance!

3.0charlie February 16, 2009 09:05 AM

A cheap wc loop is not worth it, since most systems are surpassed by high-end air rigs. If you wish to build a loop for the CPU and eventually the GPU, this is what you need. Be prepare to cough up ~400$.

Pump: Swiftech MCP-350 (or MCP-355)
Res: Swiftech Micro-res
CPU block: Swiftech Apogee GT, or GTZ.
GPU block: Danger Den Tieton full coverage block
Rad: Swiftech MCR-220
Fans: Scythe SFF-21F, 2x
Tubing: Primochill 10', 3/8" ID.
Liquid: Primochill, or Swiftech's Hydrx
Swiftech Radbox.
Metal barbs: 3/8", 10x.

JD February 16, 2009 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3.0charlie (Post 151811)
Be prepare to cough up ~400$.

Yeah right, good luck keeping the costs down :bleh:

Watercooling becomes a huge expense IMO, especially when you get to the point where you want to actually make it look really nice. Then you get into the $10+ Bitspower fittings and it's just downhill from there...

3.0charlie, wouldn't he be better off with a MCR320? I think a 220 is cutting it a bit close with a E8400 and GTX280. Also to add to your list, need all metal barbs IMO, and 3/8" for that matter if the OP wants to use 3/8"ID tubing.

3.0charlie February 16, 2009 10:10 AM

Thanks for the barbs, forgot about those.

But for the rad, the MCR-220 can handle the E8400 and the 280. I had an i7 (oc'ed) and a 260 (oc'ed) on a MCR-220 which could handle the heat load no problem.

KaptCrunch February 16, 2009 11:13 AM

for under $300 can get good starter kit

Swiftech H20-220 Compact CPU Water Cooling Kit DC its for $165 but no stock

Water Block Cooled GTX 280 & 260 Video Card

read all the manuals, don't be afraid to ask questions

note: don't use the supplied hydrx coolant use prestone pet safe anti-freeze in the white jug from any canadain tire store with distilled water, mix 10%
reason less toxic then the EG thats supplied with kit

JD February 16, 2009 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KaptCrunch (Post 151889)
for under $300 can get good starter kit

Swiftech H20-220 Compact CPU Water Cooling Kit DC its for $165 but no stock

Water Block Cooled GTX 280 & 260 Video Card

read all the manuals, don't be afraid to ask questions

note: don't use the supplied hydrx coolant use prestone pet safe anti-freeze in the white jug from any canadain tire store with distilled water, mix 10%
reason less toxic then the EG thats supplied with kit

That kit doesn't have the greatest CPU block nor is the pump overly great and well hard to replace if it dies.

Also that GTX block you linked, is only a passive heatsink for the memory and what not. You still need the Swiftech MCW60 block for the GPU itself.

People still use antifreeze? I though that was a thing of the past...
Most people run PT_Nuke + Distilled or Feser One Pre-Mixed Fluid (or other pre-mixed ones).

matsta31 February 16, 2009 12:37 PM

Pre mixed is not really worth it. PT nuke and the likes do the job at a lower cost.

Future proofing with an E8400 ?

I mean, future proofing in the computer world is bordeline impossible, but would it not be the time to go quad if you want to somewhat futureproof ?

Sure, the current crop of games and programs dont really use the potential of 4 threads, but I think (Hope) that in the next year or so, we will see more and more multi-threaded programs ?

Finally, the consensus is : dont go cheap water cooling, go high end air instead : OCZ Vendetta2, TRUE, sunbeam core contact with a nice fan will all do the job really well.

magictorch February 16, 2009 12:47 PM

I agree with 3.0charlie,

Once you start to get into higher end blocks and fittings, water-cooling really pulls away "performance wise" from aircooling, plus with a bit planning a loop can be less intrusive or ugly than a huge air cooler-but I guess that depends on whos looking at it.

Fluid-wise although some may not like green, the hydrx is great stuff. Had a leak yesterday, due to a careless error. It was easy enough to clean off the board without wrecking it (was turned off though). Plus if you forget to drain the loop when posting your system long-distance in freezing weather the hydrx helps to prevent any burst pipes or leaks:doh:.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3.0charlie (Post 151811)
A cheap wc loop is not worth it, since most systems are surpassed by high-end air rigs. If you wish to build a loop for the CPU and eventually the GPU, this is what you need. Be prepare to cough up ~400$.

Pump: Swiftech MCP-350 (or MCP-355)
Res: Swiftech Micro-res
CPU block: Swiftech Apogee GT, or GTZ.
GPU block: Danger Den Tieton full coverage block
Rad: Swiftech MCR-220
Fans: Scythe SFF-21F, 2x
Tubing: Primochill 10', 3/8" ID.
Liquid: Primochill, or Swiftech's Hydrx
Swiftech Radbox.
Metal barbs: 3/8", 10x.


KaptCrunch February 16, 2009 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdrom17
People still use antifreeze? I though that was a thing of the past...
Most people run PT_Nuke + Distilled or Feser One Pre-Mixed Fluid (or other pre-mixed ones).

swiftech still uses alu on the full cover gpu so pt an others won't help

i use AF for my rads are outside an i use alu in loop

Chilly February 16, 2009 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KaptCrunch (Post 151959)
swiftech still uses alu on the full cover gpu so pt an others won't help

i use AF for my rads are outside an i use alu in loop

Only on the older stuff. In none of the newer stuff(even if it uses aluminum to cool the ram or w/e) does the water ever touch aluminum.


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