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Old August 16, 2008, 07:31 AM
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Jack Rabbit i think its because of the drivers... Ati always had a problem with providing decent drivers during the intial launch phases and i believe this is another problem. Im sure with time the drivers will get better with the games.
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Old August 16, 2008, 09:13 AM
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Well if your happy with it then thats all that counts. Besides its a great card for current games with a 22inch monitor. Youll wake it up a bit with your new cpu/MB as well.

Besides they'll be faster cards out within 3 months and faster cards than that 3 months later. The days of a getting a highend card and expecting to it to be competitive for 18months are gone for now.

Save a bit of money to take advantage of either the future price cuts in the current high end or a more powerful future card. Wait for the next gen games before making that choice as I have a feeling they are going to grind lesser GPUs to a halt.


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Who cares about any warranty beyond one year? Not with the frequency of our upgrades. Not to mention the cards are pretty much worthless after a year.
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i really dont refer to nvidia core.. i refer to known quality company such as evga, bfg or xfx...


for many year, i used nvidia card and it (ti4200 included) never failed me... i will see about my new $300 9800gx2


ps. that link... something i would like to ignore rumors and whatever... just bad luck... i mean probably 60% people use nvidia (from very low end to every high end models)
Those companies have nothing to do with Nvidia quality, only warranty replacement assuming it breaks. One would hope it wouldn't need a lifetime warranty, as well.

Plenty of people use ATIs and never have issue, or buy nvidias that die the day they install them. BOTH companies have similar problems and similar good qualities.


I don't believe its true for g92 myself, however the g8x are detinately ******. Nvidia put 200 mill into it, Dell and a few other companies patched it, and you can tell from the sheer volume of returns that they aren't good quality. Im not saying this to bash nvidia, I'm saying this to demonstrate that no company is better than the other from a quality point of view. YMMV
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From what I have read that is not true. The 4870x2 relies on CrossFire to get the performance.
How is it 'not true'? Its 2 card with 2 GPUs on it. Its not meant to be a 2 in 1 card, its meant to be a sinngle card with 2 GPUs on it iinstead of 1 bigger GPU. This is no different form Intel's first Dual cores where there was literally 2 single cores on 1 chip. IT saves on immense engineeing cost of making a dual core gpu not dependant on SLI or CF, and its less of a challenge than one insanely powerful GPU
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I went for 2x Sapphire 4870s on 1 rig, and BFG GTX280 on the other. We'll see how that evolves in a year.
Will definitely look out, before I buy something, I will wait for your results.
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Old August 16, 2008, 08:10 PM
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How is it 'not true'? Its 2 card with 2 GPUs on it. Its not meant to be a 2 in 1 card, its meant to be a sinngle card with 2 GPUs on it iinstead of 1 bigger GPU. This is no different form Intel's first Dual cores where there was literally 2 single cores on 1 chip. IT saves on immense engineeing cost of making a dual core gpu not dependant on SLI or CF, and its less of a challenge than one insanely powerful GPU
All these kinds of cards are '2 in 1' cards. They take the electronic guts of the normal card, double that on one circuit card, and connects it with a SLI/CF path made of traces on the card. The 7900 did not even bother to use one card, they had two discreet cards; you could see the top one was the same card but without the DVI connectors. The 4870x2 is almost exactly the same as having two discreet 4870 cards in your computer and the benchmarks bare that out.

The block diagrams I have seen clearly show a CF interconnect between the two GPUs on the board. They also have independent RAM; 1G each. They are also controlled by a driver. This is completely different from a multiple core system. SMP systems share RAM and with modern multi core CPUs share L2 cache. This facilitates fast switching of threads with minimal cache flushes. Control of SMP systems is integral to the OS which micro-manages thread allocation. The differences are not surprising because all GPUs are stream processors, not general purpose chips.

The 48070x2 also has a 5G "Sideport" that is tuned off right now. This could go a long way in the future but it will depend on adoption by the game industry.

@Dashock, yeah, the reviews keep sinking into the morass of doublespeak about how the ATI driver team needs to keep up. To me this seems like putting the cart before the horse. Why should the ATI driver team be working on this? The game manufacturers should be doing this work. The manufacturer should be working on their spec; fixing problems and optimising instead of playing catch up.

For games like Assassin's Creed that are nVidia "the way it is meant to be played" branded I have little hope they will lift one small finger to help make this happen. nVidia has dominated the market recently and many game companies have jumped on the bandwagon. If ATI can follow this release up with another solid product that beats the next nVidia offering they will start to win back that share.
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Very true Jack very true there needs to be a commitment on both sides to make the cards better.
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I too believe that the GTX280 is a fairly good card. But in my opinion I'd just get the GTX260 and clock it to a GTX280, it's totally possible with water. But that's just my two $$.
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I too believe that the GTX280 is a fairly good card. But in my opinion I'd just get the GTX260 and clock it to a GTX280, it's totally possible with water. But that's just my two $$.

Clocking won't give you more memory or increase the pipes :P

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