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Old July 9, 2008, 08:53 AM
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$499 target retail for GeForce 280 is still too high. I understand the 4870 is not a true direct competitor to it but they should slot it at $429 to quash the 4870 right now. In some tests, the 4870 actually even beats the 280 so why should I spent an extra $200 on a card that is only maybe 10-15% better?

Methinks Nvidia could only go as low as $499 due to costs. 55nm ftw!
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Old July 9, 2008, 09:46 AM
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I love seeing the signs of desperation from Nvidia and their very poorly priced cards. I agree with Frost on this one. Considering the low yields they are dealing with, any price cuts are going to really cut into profits bigtime. I would dare say that at $499 they are likely making little profit. These new cards are just not what they should have been and it is sure nice to see the big company take it in the kidneys. Considering ATI is still using the 3800 series boards for their new cards, I bet they have plenty of wiggle room for pricing down without sacrificing too much profit.

Until people start using 1920X1200 and higher resolutions, we just don't need the kind of power Nvidia is selling. At 1920X1200 and lower, a single 4870 is nearly on par with the much more expensive GTX280.
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Old July 9, 2008, 09:55 AM
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*Caveat* This is based on [H]'s review, which I know is just one, but it's the game I'm on right now, so I found it interesting *Caveat*

The only thing that makes me even glance at the GTX 280 is the performance in AoC (my current game of choice) which is with all settings maxed out and at 1920x1200 with AAx8 and AFx16

That said, the 4870 is not too far behind, while I have noticed my 3870 X2 start to chug in a couple of places with the default "High" settings in-game.

I think the 4870 X2 will be my next upgrade, sometime in the next 3 or 4 months, but the price drop on the GTX 280 still brought it back into the picture, however briefly.
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Old July 10, 2008, 08:16 AM
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The BFG 280 GTX is now at $429 at NCIX after rebates. I just read on FUD that the 4870 X2 will retail for $550 US (So we'll probably see it for $600)
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Old July 10, 2008, 08:39 AM
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Is the BFG version just the NVidia stock card badged as BFG or have they finally stopped those jet engines from firing everytime we run the card hard?

$429 is interesting indeed. The 4870x2 at $550-600 is gonna be hard to justify unless it completely demolishes the 280 and is appreciably close to the 280SLI combo (which would cost $429 x 2 = $858) - kinda like how the 4870 by itself is appreciably close to the 280 in most tests.

I still think that NVidia is dipping into red ink over this screw up. Instead of releasing the 9800GTX+ they should've come up with the 260 or 280 in 55nm instead. Then again, I'm not in the chip making business so I don't know the intricate shifts or decisions required to go 55nm.
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Old July 10, 2008, 08:45 AM
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I'm not sure how much overclocking headroom these cards will have because it seems that BFG,like EVGA has been binning the cores into distinct performance groups. You then have to pay for better performing cores. Be good to test this assumption though.
This is a good deal though from a solid company
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Old July 10, 2008, 09:31 AM
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Well, the card I linked seems to be the OC model, unless it's an error by NCIX.

This card is also pretty sweet, with a Danger Den pure copper block on it. Warranty intact because of no heatsink removal and including the Trade Up program (for the new 55nm core, if it proves to be a better performer).

Definitely going to rethink my stance on this card, though at the end of the day, the Crossfire factor may come into play. The 4870 X2 will play my games at 100% maxed out settings at 1920x1200, as will the GTX 280, but in the future, if something new comes out that causes the 4870 X2 to need some extra help, I could add another one, or a 4870 and get more, while the GTX 280 would be it.
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Old July 10, 2008, 10:22 AM
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Well, the card I linked seems to be the OC model, unless it's an error by NCIX.

This card is also pretty sweet, with a Danger Den pure copper block on it. Warranty intact because of no heatsink removal and including the Trade Up program (for the new 55nm core, if it proves to be a better performer).

Definitely going to rethink my stance on this card, though at the end of the day, the Crossfire factor may come into play. The 4870 X2 will play my games at 100% maxed out settings at 1920x1200, as will the GTX 280, but in the future, if something new comes out that causes the 4870 X2 to need some extra help, I could add another one, or a 4870 and get more, while the GTX 280 would be it.
Yeah its very difficult to make a call. The Wc card looks pretty damn good though although the 4870 has a lot of room to grow in cf while the 4870X2 will likely be a better performer at stock. Theres some game issues to tackle first-stuttering, crashing.

Also I know the BFG card you linked to is an OC version but its the first rung in the ladder of the OC versions. There will be an OC2-perhaps better binned again and probably another extreme version OCX. The WC versions youve linked to is probably the best core of the bunch. I bought an 8800 BFG OC GTX and was not overly happy with its shader overclocking ability cw with other cards. That got me wondering if they were sorting cards by ability into the various oc groups.
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Yeah its very difficult to make a call. The Wc card looks pretty damn good though although the 4870 has a lot of room to grow in cf while the 4870X2 will likely be a better performer at stock. Theres some game issues to tackle first-stuttering, crashing.

Also I know the BFG card you linked to is an OC version but its the first rung in the ladder of the OC versions. There will be an OC2-perhaps better binned again and probably another extreme version OCX. The WC versions youve linked to is probably the best core of the bunch. I bought an 8800 BFG OC GTX and was not overly happy with its shader overclocking ability cw with other cards. That got me wondering if they were sorting cards by ability into the various oc groups.
If I got it, I'd probably go with the WC version.

I mean, the 4870 X2 is going to be in the $600 range, plus a waterblock from EK ($120) so that's $720 + tax + shipping (NCIX) and we're near the $800 range. While the BFG WC Model look like it has pretty sweet clocks, a great waterblock and can max out the games I play for about $600 (all in).

So that's a $200 dollar difference for the extra performance that I might not even perceive.
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Old July 10, 2008, 11:00 AM
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yes Zlojack, I cant see the 4870X2 being much better than that BFG WC card-plus there will likely be drivers issues with the 4870X2 that may become irritating. The only thing is they are releasing a supercharged 4870 with watercooling but even then I doubt it will match that BFG WC. Amazing value with that block and premium core.
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