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Old March 5, 2014, 05:36 PM
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"You mad"? That sounds like some 13 year old comment from some random person in WoW. What is this the teenager forum now? No, i'm not mad. I'm commenting on the sad state of affairs for AMD cards and perspective PC gamers which should be buying the cards, but are being bought by hashrate freaks instead. I'm quite happy with 780SLI, so i'm good to go in that respect. Anyway, As far as AMD software goes, my last foray into that involved the 7970 with surround which has well documented issues and took years to get sorted out. Years. If microstutter was your thing, hell, AMD cards were fantastic. Now you can have your opinion and that's fine, but mine is that NV is better by a landslide. Not in terms of JUST WORKING in surround, but also in the respect of adding new stuff like AO, downsampling, shadowplay, etc. If you disagree, that's cool with me. I do think AMD cards generally "just work" while mining. So that's an obvious plus.

And no, i'm not mad. I think it's actually hilarious now that i'm thinking of it.

You know, it's probably about time that AMD cashed in on all the idiot miners out there. The R9-280 and it's relative high price will do just that, because AMD will make a killing @ that MSRP. Not that MSRP will actually happen.
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Old March 5, 2014, 11:04 PM
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Personally i think its fine that amd is asking a bit more from the retailers for these cards. the retailers can only mark it up so much more anyways . why not have a bit of those silly prices miners are paying get back into the R&D pockets of amd instead of into the retailers gouging pockets.
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Personally, I wouldn't buy I used mining card but that's just me.
Agreed i would not want a overused probably over heated ran 24/7 like a dog used card either.

most likely going to not be warranted either and almost certainly will fail on you in the near future.
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Old March 5, 2014, 11:09 PM
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From our chairs, we can only speculate so much. Products are sometimes designed years in advance. At other times, things like smartphones and tablets happen and the entire industry must scramble to adapt and change plans rapidly.

IMO, AMD's engineering resources have probably been stretched thin for a while because of the development of APUs and the recently launched consoles. This was probably projected to be a lull period for GPUs with the launch of said consoles stealing sales and competing for components.

Yet, AMD remains competitive. As do Tahiti-based products.
As long as AMD uses these profits wisely to boost their R&D then i think this was all fairly smart manoeuvring.

we all see the leaps their Technology made after they got some of that lawsuit money into the R&D teams.
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Old March 6, 2014, 05:59 AM
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Pretty sure most of the profits this time around are on the retail side. :(
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Agreed i would not want a overused probably over heated ran 24/7 like a dog used card either.

most likely going to not be warranted either and almost certainly will fail on you in the near future.
Why wouldn't they warrant it? It's not like there's a clause saying if you run the card there's no warranty. I guess you shouldn't buy a card or CPU that's been used for Folding@Home either then
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I wouldnt buy a GPU that has been used for F@H or mining. Nor would I buy a used F@H mobo. BUT I would buy a CPU (as long as it hasnt been delidded or OC'ed)

Simply put video cards are not built to the same standards as a CPU. They are not designed with 24/7/365 100% loads in mind. Plus there is a boat load more problems which can go wrong with a video card compared to a single part item like a CPU. Overstressed VRM, bad worn out fans, heat warpage, etc etc that dont happen in a single piece of silicone like a CPU.

Comparing the two shows either a lack of understanding on how various consumer grade computer components are designed, built and tested...or smacks of false equavilacey.

A better example is would you buy a heavily oc'ed CPU that has been used for a year vs a heavily used (and abused) mining card. Then the answer is no in both cases. See the difference? :)
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Simply put video cards are not built to the same standards as a CPU. They are not designed with 24/7/365 100% loads in mind. Plus there is a boat load more problems which can go wrong with a video card compared to a single part item like a CPU. Overstressed VRM, bad worn out fans, heat warpage, etc etc that dont happen in a single piece of silicone like a CPU.
Exactly the GPU itself wouldn't be the problem more all the other stuff on the board. Perhaps on the up -side in mining rigs use risers so card are spaced to have more airflow not like in a gaming machine. All said I'd have a hard time paying anything other bargain basement on a used AMD that I couldn't have the assurance it wasn't in a mining usage.

AMD unleased the geldings they've been able to bin (probably not all that many as they got in early Tahiti production) and bring in the market to get top dollar for them, as every AIB and retailer just wants to sell. How can you blame AMD announcing this and making some money on such chips? Better than sitting on them just to watch this Litecoin frenzy go "bust", and be needing to sell them at some super discounted price in 3-4 months, exactly when the used market is awash with cheap cards.

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Well, I can't specifically comment on mining wearing down the hardware faster, but I can say that the RMA rate for Tahiti cards ~tripled after the mining craze started...
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Good. Maybe AMD will limit their warranties to exclude mining. Miners should just use ASICs and piss off! Heh. :)
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