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Old March 14, 2013, 06:24 AM
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I would like a link to those "reviews". I seriously doubt it.
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What about teaming up with another review website, asking that if they send you theirs for a month to do SLI testing, you'll send them yours for a month, so they can do SLI testing.



Looks like the current matchup that people are interested in is 8350 vs 3570K. The video from TekSyndicate was very interesting, and Linus just put out a video testing the same thing. Linus's results weren't really in-line with Tek's, but nonetheless, the 8350 did okay. The fault with both those videos though, was lack of detail. It would be nice to see an article with both chips, using a cost relevant card (so, not a Titan, but something that an average user would buy with those chips...a 660Ti, for example) with multiple benchmarks at multiple settings, and lots of glorious numbers to pore over.
I think that is a very valid comparison. However, testing with a lower end GPU pretty much defeats the purpose of putting the onus on the CPU.
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I think that is a very valid comparison. However, testing with a lower end GPU pretty much defeats the purpose of putting the onus on the CPU.
Yeah, I get what you mean. BUT, the idea was not "let's isolate the CPU and see what it can do" but more of "let's see what each CPU does in a system that people would actually buy".

So, even though one CPU or the other may run away the benchmark when it's isolated (with a Titan), it's not really representative of a system that most people would buy at that price point.

People who buy i5s will likely not be buying a Titan. People who buy Titans probably have 3930K's, or at the very least, a 3770K.

At the very best, folks who run an i5 or an 8350 may have a GTX680 (and that was a fluke, as it was used and a good deal!)
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Yeah, I get what you mean. BUT, the idea was not "let's isolate the CPU and see what it can do" but more of "let's see what each CPU does in a system that people would actually buy".

So, even though one CPU or the other may run away the benchmark when it's isolated (with a Titan), it's not really representative of a system that most people would buy at that price point.

People who buy i5s will likely not be buying a Titan. People who buy Titans probably have 3930K's, or at the very least, a 3770K.

At the very best, folks who run an i5 or an 8350 may have a GTX680 (and that was a fluke, as it was used and a good deal!)
That;s a completely different type a article.
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I would like a link to those "reviews". I seriously doubt it.
I'm not sure if you're referring to the runt frames issue, but:

Frame Rating Part 3: First Results from the New GPU Performance Tools | PC Perspective
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I can tell you that a user likely wouldn't pick up on the dropped frames due to the very low latency in some of those cases.
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The point is, if fps numbers don't accurately reflect the gaming experience there must be a reason.
Runt frames and latencies would seem to rationally explain why the fps number can be higher but the actual experience worse.
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Yes and no. The main issue is the polling rate within the FRAPS utility when it comes to polling framerates. You see, if it logged framerates at the same speed it does frame TIMES, the results would be much more accurate. Remember, there is a distinct difference between Frames per SECOND and framerate / frame times.

Essentially, frame times can translate directly into framerates but frames per second simply averages out the framerates throughout a second to give a global result of a certain period of time.
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Well written article. I have a few questions however.
1) Do you think that you're severely underplaying the value equation here?
From my testing, SLI had very little, if any problems with single screen use. The Profiles are quite up to date etc, so i believe that the old issues are exactly that, old issues. Please note i said single screen. I don't have any experience with multi screen sli gaming.

2) Outside of time concerns, why didn't you include the 660ti in this review? I'm wondering if the results of this review would have been different if Titan was compared against a setup aprox 50-60% its cost. I understand that you cant review everything however, given the cost/performance value here, the content presented... this seems to be missing something. Was this at someones request?

I am a believer that had these two issues/questions been reviewed, we would see a completely different conclusion.
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Honestly i don't believe in 3D mark at all,the real games benchmarks show the truth,680 SLI is better than 7970 crossfire anyway,in almost any real games.

Depends on what the dev wants to do,crysis 3 for example,but the 680 SLI have more potential,with proper game coding.

Anyway these solutions destroy the titan! Good review,i would just have liked to see 680 lighting or normal 7970...Not really fair.

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