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Again, I don't see your point. An "in stock" indicator could mean 2 or 200. And I don't think you understand what "retail channel" means. It refers to distributors as well as retailers. Head over onto NCIX.com. They gave a real-time distributor stock checker and you'll see that other than some specialized cards (Galaxy MDT, etc.), the GTX 580 is all but nonexistent. The situation was very much the same when the HD 7950 was launched. Granted, the GTX 580 did get a price cut in March.....but did many people care? Methinks not.
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Nvidia terminated GTX 580 production in late Q1 it seems. So I don't understand how stocks could dry up when HD 7950 launched. Both of us don't know newegg stocks for each of the GTX 580 cards. So I would not speculate.
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It isn't and I don't know how many more times I have to say this. The dip in framerates when you get off of the humvee is due to the system loading the level and NOT from a GPU bottleneck. I have discussed this extensively with the folks at DICE. We actually took the time to work directly with them to determine the most stressful part of the game, and that's the area we chose. It combines high levels of particle effects, large amounts of ambient occlusion and one of the only areas where foliage is affected by large explosions.
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I loaded Operation Swordbreaker and played again on my Radeon HD 6950 with Ultra MSAA 4X at 1080p. I waited till the initial loading and non interactive portions completed and fps stabilized in fraps. I saw till I got to the discussion table fps in low 30s and sometimes high 20s. Similarly later in the level in the first fight in the parking garage fps was in the 30s and occasionally went to mid 20s where cars were blowing up with smoke and fire effects and there was lot of fighting onscreen.
I played the Rock and Hard place mission where you come down the road after the fight in the dense forest region. And you face more enemies in the open region and I could see similar fps around early 30s dropping sometimes to mid to high 20s . I seriously didn't feel that Rock and Hard place was far more demanding than the fight in the parking garage in operation swordbreaker. I can call it at best case similar.
******* - Configuring and Testing Battlefield 3 - Battlefield 3 Single Player Performance and IQ Review
"To test the single player campaign in
Battlefield 3, we first played through the game in its entirety. At the end of testing, we found that the first complete mission, Operation Swordbreaker, offered the most challenging graphics and lowest performance. To test that level, we used FRAPS to record framerates for approximately the first nine minutes. During that time, the Marine team of which we were a part moved through a densely detailed urban area in Iraq. There was plenty of combat, both indoors and outdoors. We ended the test procedure with the destruction of a hotel to silence an insurgent sniper."
******* - Battlefield 3 - Sapphire HD 7970 OC Edition Video Card Review
If you look at the 4X MSAA fraps graph HD 7970 (950 Mhz) and GTX 680 they tail each other very closely except the last 20% where the GTX 680 is ahead. Also to my observation GTX 680 is more spiky (indicative of Turbo padding the average fps) than Radeon HD 7970.
It would help if you include a fraps graph of the tests as atleast as a downloadable zip file, if you can't clutter up your webpages with those graph charts. I am still not able to come to terms that there can be such a drastic performance difference between your bench and others like *******
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You also have to think about it closely: why would we praise AMD for releasing a card that barely matches a GTX 680, consumes a ton more power and is substantially louder? We came down like a ton of bricks on NVIDIA for two of those three points in the initial GTX 480 review. Since we are completely unbiased, we should treat AMD the same way if they drop the ball, right? Right?
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I have always felt this. The GTX 480 got much less credit than what was due to it. The GTX 680 is getting much more credit than is due to it. The GTX 480 was a very ambitious chip. The DX11 implementation of GTX 480 shows it true worth today in games like BF3, Crysis 2 and also past games like Metro 2033. AMD HD 5870 gets decimated in these games by the GTX 480. GTX 480 was a true flagship not a pretender. It had some problems like heat or power consumption , whether it was due to design or manufacturing I don't know. But were rectified in 6 months with a respin.
My opinion is the tables have changed this generation with AMD having the more aggressive chip and Nvidia having the more conservative chip. Might look closer today but my guess is we have to wait and see when more demanding games come out in 2012 and 2013 like crysis 3 and metro last light. Alan Wake shows what a really demanding PC game can do to the GTX 680. Anyway each person has his own unique way of thinking. I feel whatever my doubts on the hwc results and conclusions I will avoid any more allegations. Thanks for replying to my questions even after I personally attacked you and I apologize if I hurt you.
May 12, 2012, 09:39 PM
thanks 
We have our own brains 
. The price bracket difference is obvious, yet the acoustical metrics are very similar (and both fall within a 620W PSU requirement, of mine). And, until one of them will come down in price that is based on my judgment as an appropriate price/performance, then I'll spend the money.
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