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Old March 23, 2012, 06:22 AM
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What do you mean by "the good stuff"? Would you rather have had a $699 product released that featured the HD 7970's paper launch and subsequently shitty availability?
Do you rather that they offer this mainstream $399 card for $499 and pretend this is their "new" flagship card and price gouge their customers.

They just happen to have such a good chip in Kepler that is exactly what they did.

How will you or Nvidia explain when the Gk110 comes out that out performs the GTX680 by and enormous margin and the pricing isn't that much higher?

Where will they otherwise price their dual-gpu cards?

So to answer your question, knowing that that this "good stuff" would beat the 7970 by 50%, then HELL yes.

They are passing of this generations GTX560ti equivalent as the flagship with a $500 price tag.
It doesn't matter that it performs that well when they HAVE better cards, it only means AMD just made a bulldozer GPU, in comparison.

As I said earlier the Fermi GTX480 beats it's own older generation GTX285 by 66% and more.
Think about that when you just posted that the GTX680 does 36% better than the GTX580.
What about the 8800 series that was huge win as well?
In comparison, this GTX680 is extremely poor, hell the AMD HD7970 beats IT'S previous generation 6970 by around 50%.
That should tell you something, look at the numbers...

Only thing this card has is performance relative to it's wattage, but as a REAL performer overall it is extremely lack-luster, basically a mainstream 3rd string card ala GTX560ti, which btw it IS.

Only excuse Nvida has is low yields and availability issue with GK110, but them passing this STOP-GAP card off as the flagship and tricking customers to accepting a markup price beyond belief is really hard to swallow.

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Old March 23, 2012, 06:24 AM
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Well, all bets are off on me upgrading till I see Nvidia's 660 and 670 cards come out before I upgrade. I was going to get the HD 7870 card. But after seeing how Nvidia's new GTX 680 performs. I have to wait and see how the other cards perform and price points. This could get really great for us ppl that are looking to upgrade their GPU's. Let the price wars begin please!!!!
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Old March 23, 2012, 06:40 AM
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Do you rather that they offer this mainstream $399 card for $499 and pretend this is their "new" flagship card and price gouge their customers.

They just happen to have such a good chip in Kepler that is exactly what they did.

How will you or Nvidia explain when the Gk110 comes out that out performs the GTX680 by and enormous margin and the pricing isn't that much higher?

Where will they otherwise price their dual-gpu cards?

So to answer your question, knowing that that this "good stuff" would beat the 7970 by 50%, then HELL yes.

They are passing of this generations GTX560ti equivalent as the flagship with a $500 price tag.
It doesn't matter that it performs that well when they HAVE better cards, it only means AMD just made a bulldozer GPU, in comparison.

As I said earlier the Fermi GTX480 beats it's own older generation GTX285 by 66% and more.
Think about that when you just posted that the GTX680 does 36% better than the GTX580.
What about the 8800 series that was huge win as well?
In comparison, this GTX680 is extremely poor, hell the AMD HD7970 beats IT'S previous generation 6970 by around 50%.
That should tell you something, look at the numbers...

Only thing this card has is performance relative to it's wattage, but as a REAL performer overall it is extremely lack-luster, basically a mainstream 3rd string card ala GTX560ti, which btw it IS.

Only excuse Nvida has is low yields and availability issue with GK110, but them passing this STOP-GAP card off as the flagship and tricking customers to accepting a markup price beyond belief is really hard to swallow.
Interesting points.

Though... I don't think Sky, nor anyone else is pretending this is Nvidia's new flagship card.
It was reported months ago that this would not be their high end.

As mentioned in the article, and countless times on the forum, AMD & Nvidia are pricing their cards according to performance.
Though, this time around Nvidia pulled a fast one over AMD, by under-cutting them.

You sound like a reasonable person, and thus you know that with any new release the manufacturers will try to get as much $$ for their new stuff as possible from early adopters; then later dropping the prices again to stimulate sales again.
Its always been that way.

Look at the brighter side of things...
This will be a great year for enthusiasts of all budget ranges!

Everyone will be able to access amazing levels of performance, for relatively little expenditures!
Better for everyone, enthusiasts & manufacturers alike!

Cheers.
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Old March 23, 2012, 08:10 AM
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Bingo, cards are priced according to market conditions. This whole "trickery" thing is utter BS.
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You both have valid points and we are always free to vote with our wallets.
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Old March 23, 2012, 09:19 AM
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Yes, no trickery involved. So what if the GTX680 isn't NV's flagship card. You have endless benchmarks throughout the internet, you know exactly how this card will perform in any situation. And you know how much it costs. Where exactly is the deviousness?
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The various pricing schemes aren't trickery it's marketing (caveat emptor ALWAYS applies). It's a crappy way to do things but what else is new?
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Still not a single 680 available on Newegg currently. Glad Canucks could even handedly commend Nvidia on their superiority over AMD in launch day availability, despite the fact there was none.
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Still not a single 680 available on Newegg currently. Glad Canucks could even handedly commend Nvidia on their superiority over AMD in launch day availability, despite the fact there was none.
Interesting....i can take a 5 minute walk to my local Canada Computers and have my choice of either the Zotac or MSI right now.
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Still not a single 680 available on Newegg currently. Glad Canucks could even handedly commend Nvidia on their superiority over AMD in launch day availability, despite the fact there was none.
I checked newegg.ca shortly after reading the review and there were 2 or 3 different card available at that time.
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