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Old January 28, 2012, 01:24 PM
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Ok I should be getting my income tax soon(i live in the USA),and i have been trying to decide on my video card upgrade to do,cause my current card is just not doing what i want,I would really like some suggestions on what to get,my budget is $600 MAX.

Here is my system:
CPU:AMD FX-8150 @3.6ghz
CPU COOLER:Cooler Master Hyper 212+
MOBO:ASUS ASUS Sabertooth 990FX
GPU:EVGA GeForce GTX 460 SE 1GB
RAM:2x4GB Crucial Ballistix DDR3 1600mhz
CASE:Cooler Master HAF 932 Advanced
PSU:Cougar 1000w(4 12v rails @24A + 2 more 12v rails @ 28A)

My plans for this rig are,i want to be able to play any game(and any that come out this year)at max settings,and be able to record with fraps@ full screen and the game still be perfectly playable,other than that i plan on doing video editing,also learning programs like photoshop,3D modeling programs,i am also going to try and learn to code basicly anything i would need to learn to be able to make video games,cause that is what i want to do,i also want this pc to last as long as possible.

Also keep in mind these things when you suggest something,power usage,heat,price,performance,and what the rest of my system is,and anywaiting i might have to do to get the parts,and last i've used both amd,and nvidia card,and nither drivers bother me,so unless a driver is going to cause me not to be able to do what i want,don't factor it in.

Here are some i am currently looking at:

2x MSI R6950 Twin Frozr III PE/OC
OR
2x MSI N560GTX-Ti 448 Twin Frozr III PE/OC GeForce GTX 560 Ti
OR
1x MSI N570GTX Twin Frozr III PE/OC GeForce GTX 570
OR
1x MSI R6970 Lightning Radeon HD 6970 2GB
OR
1x MSI N580GTX Twin Frozr II/OC
OR
1x XFXs Radeon HD 7970 Black Edition

i picked dual fan cooler gpu's cause i really don't like how hot stock GPU coolers get,and the cooler the whole system runs,the longer it will last.

I could do what some people have suggested,and wait for them to get more of the 7970's i want,or i could wait for the price of the 6000 series to drop,but i am ADHD and i am very impatient(i have trouble waiting for the part to be delivered lol),so the money would end up burning a hole in my pocket lol,other than that i really don't know what to get, this is my first time buying a new video card with such a big budget.

I would like it if you could also please explain your decision.

Thank you guys so much for the help.

Also please feel free to suggest other cards if you don't like the ones i have listed.
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Old January 28, 2012, 03:00 PM
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I don't like AMD enough to recommend their cards, but a this particular time in the Graphics world, you have to be careful. We're between two era right now...

The 7970 card is out and seems to be a beauty...nice amount of RAM on it....it's definitely an option (wait for 7950 official pricing and benchmarks tho..)

But nVIDIA high-end offering might be even better...so tough times to choose stuff....

I would probably go for something like 2 X 560TI 448..if you have to buy right now

My decision is considering: 560 Ti's 448 are almost equivalent to regular 570's.. 2 regular 560Ti's are 20% to 30% faster than a single GTX580 at 1080P. So 2 X 448s would be even faster....

But if you could add a few bucks and grab 2 X MSI GTX570 TFIII PE for a good price, that would be nice!

If you wait for official 7950 pricing, and you manage to buy 2 of those... that would be a beastly setup...I just don't like AMD driver support...
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Old January 28, 2012, 04:58 PM
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What resolution do you game at?

My thoughts for your consideration: I know you said you are fine with drivers from both companies, but there still seems to be more problems with AMD, though mainly on the crossfire side of things (not so much single card). IMO if you want a graphics card to run well for the upcoming couple years get a minimum of 1.5 GB VRam...1GB and 1.28 GB cards can already be maxed in some games (though not a big deal yet). Pricing/sales are everything, so a really good sale can throw any pre-planned opinion out the window.

If you want the most performance the $600 can get you, then the 2x560 ti 448 is the pick...but you may run into being vram limited from time to time.
The most bang for buck is going to come from 2x560Ti, but again the Vram may become a problem...you could go for 2gb version of the 560Ti to eliminate that problem, but there is a pretty large price premium to go to the 2gb models.
The hd7970 is definitely the most powerful single card and will satisfy all your needs, it will empty that same $600 as the pair of 560Ti 448Core (its also more energy efficient then all of the other cards you are looking at, so if that matters its your answer).
The gtx 580 is priced where it should be for performance compared to a 7970...spend a bit less and get a bit less.
GTX 570 would be a nice upgrade over the likely limited run 560Ti 448core, but its over budget to get 2, and still only has 1.28Gb vram.

All that to say, IMO I don't think there is a right or wrong choice. It all comes down to what sales are available when you order. Given the newegg prices I was just looking at I would go with a gtx 580 (probably this one), or an HD 7970. I would prefer to go single card then multi card. 7970 is more powerful, more expensive, and more energy efficient, but 580 is still very fast, doesn't empty the full budget, and has refined drivers now (since it has been going for a while).

Sorry for the rambling...couldn't stop on this one. Tough call in the end (and the 7950 should be showing up soon...likely with performance and price around the gtx 580, but it should have much better power consumption).
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Old January 28, 2012, 11:09 PM
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I don't like AMD enough to recommend their cards, but a this particular time in the Graphics world, you have to be careful. We're between two era right now...

The 7970 card is out and seems to be a beauty...nice amount of RAM on it....it's definitely an option (wait for 7950 official pricing and benchmarks tho..)

But nVIDIA high-end offering might be even better...so tough times to choose stuff....

I would probably go for something like 2 X 560TI 448..if you have to buy right now

My decision is considering: 560 Ti's 448 are almost equivalent to regular 570's.. 2 regular 560Ti's are 20% to 30% faster than a single GTX580 at 1080P. So 2 X 448s would be even faster....

But if you could add a few bucks and grab 2 X MSI GTX570 TFIII PE for a good price, that would be nice!

If you wait for official 7950 pricing, and you manage to buy 2 of those... that would be a beastly setup...I just don't like AMD driver support...
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What resolution do you game at?

My thoughts for your consideration: I know you said you are fine with drivers from both companies, but there still seems to be more problems with AMD, though mainly on the crossfire side of things (not so much single card). IMO if you want a graphics card to run well for the upcoming couple years get a minimum of 1.5 GB VRam...1GB and 1.28 GB cards can already be maxed in some games (though not a big deal yet). Pricing/sales are everything, so a really good sale can throw any pre-planned opinion out the window.

If you want the most performance the $600 can get you, then the 2x560 ti 448 is the pick...but you may run into being vram limited from time to time.
The most bang for buck is going to come from 2x560Ti, but again the Vram may become a problem...you could go for 2gb version of the 560Ti to eliminate that problem, but there is a pretty large price premium to go to the 2gb models.
The hd7970 is definitely the most powerful single card and will satisfy all your needs, it will empty that same $600 as the pair of 560Ti 448Core (its also more energy efficient then all of the other cards you are looking at, so if that matters its your answer).
The gtx 580 is priced where it should be for performance compared to a 7970...spend a bit less and get a bit less.
GTX 570 would be a nice upgrade over the likely limited run 560Ti 448core, but its over budget to get 2, and still only has 1.28Gb vram.

All that to say, IMO I don't think there is a right or wrong choice. It all comes down to what sales are available when you order. Given the newegg prices I was just looking at I would go with a gtx 580 (probably this one), or an HD 7970. I would prefer to go single card then multi card. 7970 is more powerful, more expensive, and more energy efficient, but 580 is still very fast, doesn't empty the full budget, and has refined drivers now (since it has been going for a while).

Sorry for the rambling...couldn't stop on this one. Tough call in the end (and the 7950 should be showing up soon...likely with performance and price around the gtx 580, but it should have much better power consumption).
Sorry i did not anwser eariler,but i was at work,now i have been thinking about what you guys and other people have said,and i think i am going to go with a 7970,and then mabye on next income tax,if i think i need it i could buy a second one since the prices will have gone down,but now to decide which one to get.

here are the ones newegg has in stock:

HIS H797F3G2M Radeon HD 7970 3GB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card
Newegg.com - HIS H797F3G2M Radeon HD 7970 3GB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card

GIGABYTE GV-R797D5-3GD-B Radeon HD 7970 3GB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card
Newegg.com - GIGABYTE GV-R797D5-3GD-B Radeon HD 7970 3GB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card

SAPPHIRE 21197-00-40G Radeon HD 7970 3GB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card
Newegg.com - SAPPHIRE 21197-00-40G Radeon HD 7970 3GB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card

PowerColor AX7970 3GBD5-M2DHG Radeon HD 7970 3GB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card
Newegg.com - PowerColor AX7970 3GBD5-M2DHG Radeon HD 7970 3GB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card

MSI R7970-2PMD3GD5 Radeon HD 7970 3GB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card
Newegg.com - MSI R7970-2PMD3GD5 Radeon HD 7970 3GB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card

MSI R7970-2PMD3GD5/OC Radeon HD 7970 3GB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card
Newegg.com - MSI R7970-2PMD3GD5/OC Radeon HD 7970 3GB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card

GIGABYTE GV-R797OC-3GD Radeon HD 7970 3GB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card
Newegg.com - GIGABYTE GV-R797OC-3GD Radeon HD 7970 3GB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card


Which one should i get? I kinda like the last 2 but i also like the XFX i listed in my first post,but they have been out of them since the 7970 came out.
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Old January 29, 2012, 04:40 AM
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Personally I wouldn't get one with a blower fan. I would get one with a multi-fan set up. The only one you linked to like that would be the last gigabyte one, or the XFX you are talking about. I am sure there will be many more options on the market shortly. The reference design is supposedly quite loud. All of the other cards you linked are reference design (AMD spec card with no modifications), so they are all the same. The only thing different would be the brand sticker and warranty. The problem is that the Gigabyte card carries a $60 premium over the gigabyte reference card...that's a substantial amount IMO.

EDIT: just realized the MSI one is a reference-ish card. but it does have a factory OC. I would still prefer a different fan and cooler.
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Personally I wouldn't get one with a blower fan. I would get one with a multi-fan set up. The only one you linked to like that would be the last gigabyte one, or the XFX you are talking about. I am sure there will be many more options on the market shortly. The reference design is supposedly quite loud. All of the other cards you linked are reference design (AMD spec card with no modifications), so they are all the same. The only thing different would be the brand sticker and warranty. The problem is that the Gigabyte card carries a $60 premium over the gigabyte reference card...that's a substantial amount IMO.

EDIT: just realized the MSI one is a reference-ish card. but it does have a factory OC. I would still prefer a different fan and cooler.
So i should either get the gigabyte or XFX one,(which ever they have in stock when i get my income tax)?
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So i should either get the gigabyte or XFX one,(which ever they have in stock when i get my income tax)?
IMO yes, but that is just what I like. Others prefer graphics cards that vent outside the case like the reference cooler even though it is noisier.
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IMO yes, but that is just what I like. Others prefer graphics cards that vent outside the case like the reference cooler even though it is noisier.
Well i don't like the reference cooler's cause i don't like the temps it gets to,to keep it at a temp i am ok with i have to turn the fan up,and then it gets loud.
EDIT: Just my luck,i go to look at newegg cause i MIGHT be getting my income tax tomorrow morning(as long as the IRS does not have any more delays)and it now says the XFX one is deactivated,and the gigabyte one is already sold out,even though it JUST went on sale yester or today...... why me..... unless i can find one of those at another place for a reasonalbe price,i won't be getting a 7970,cause i REALLY don't like reference coolers.......

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