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Old December 4, 2011, 06:50 PM
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Hi folks,

I need some input concerning an upgrade that I'd like to make for my son's computer. He's not an heavy computer gamer but he likes to play some games once in a while more specifically when he cannot play it on his Xbox. He is currently running a E8600/Gigabytes MB/4 Gig of RAM. I don't remember exactly what the PSU is but it a decent quality 600W. His current GPU is an HD 4870 and it's starting to show it's age. I'll concede it right of the bat that his system is not so new (it used to be my computer) but I think it's still decent enough to play new games relatively well but I think it could use a better GPU. I don't think it's worth putting a high end GPU in this system but I was thinking something more middle of the road. He's using a 22" LCD monitor 1680 x 1050. What would be a good match up for this system ? I was thinking maybe an HD 6850 or maybe something a bit less powerful like 6770 or 6790, would a GTX 560TI be overkilled ?

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Old December 4, 2011, 09:10 PM
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At that resolution I would say a GTX560 would probably top out what I would use myself.
Given that you have an older LGA775 setup you will probably hit some bottleneck of some kind if you go higher than that. And anything higher would honestly be a waste.

If you are on a budget. GTX550TI would be next set down and very reasonable for that resolution.
My cousin uses a ASUS 550TI TOP on his 24" at 1920X1080 and he gets very very good FPS on SC2 and WoW with High settings.

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Old December 5, 2011, 02:50 AM
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I pretty much agree with you here the gtx 560 is probably the highest his system can take without causing too much bottleneck. The 550, i am not too sure is a very good value...
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A 6770 is a rebranded 5770, which has performance very similar to a 4870...so I would not call that an upgrade. I would concur that a gtx 560/560Ti would both be a bit of an upgrade and about max for the system without having a bad CPU bottleneck (it will still bottleneck in CPU dependent games, but it will do well in GPU dependent games). On the AMD side I wouldn't bother with 6850 (to close to same performance). I would say hd 6870/6950 to make it worth while.

Here is a 4870/5770 comparison. You can see they actually trade blows for which is faster. And as I mentioned already a 6770 is the same.

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I used to think the same thing about ATI cards until I got rid of my GTS 450 OC SLI config and got a HD6850 OC, I love to play Total War games and I actually saw a jump from 21 FPS with the Nvidia setup to 35 FPS on 1920 *1080 native 22 " desktop. What I love about the 6850 is the power profile. I did not need to change my PSU and can actually add another in Crossfire without the need for a new PSU. The major benefit of the 6850 is that it runs on a 256 bit. So while the 6850 for all intents and purposes is a rebranded 6770 it has enough improvements to make it a worthy addition. Bottom line the HD6850 is the fastest GPU that only uses 1 6 Pin connection to the PSU. So for performance vs carbon footprint it is a good buy. Besides it will play anyhting you can currently acquire in terms of gaming.

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Old December 5, 2011, 08:16 AM
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As suggested above, a 6870 or a 560 will do the job if your buddy isn't planning to upgrade his monitor. Although I think in some modern games which require more GPU power that CPU, a 560Ti actually will be a benefit.
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Old December 5, 2011, 12:41 PM
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The E8k chips can overclock well, having it at 3.6Ghz+(very eay to do even on stock voltage) will help to power the gpu better, more so in Nvidias case then AMDs.

I had an E8400 clocked to 4.05Ghz with a hyper 212+ cpu cooler, was using a 4870 overclocked, and got a 6870, it played very well, unfortunately the cpu being a dual core can sometimes get a little laggy as it just runs out of processing power(not that its a bad chip or anything like that)

For the price, a Radeon 6850 overclocked or 6870, posisbly a 6950 2gb card, or GTX460 1gb 338 shader, or a 560Ti or 560Ti 448 shader model.

You also have the option of waiting just a little bit longer, maybe in this month to early into the new year for the new HD7k series Radeons or the Keple 600 series Nvidia cards to come out, seieng as they will more the likely be that much faster and still a reasonable price, I would hold off, you might get an even better deal then what is available right now.

As for a single card, as long as the power supply is able to deliver at minimum 38a on the 12v you can use any single card currently out there in the "mainstream range" 5830-5850-6850-6870-6950 GTX460 any version-GTX550Ti-GTX560-GTX560ti- and maybe even a GTX570, but I would be carefull and make sure there is enough watts/amps on the 12v you want at least a headroom of say 8amps or so just to play it safe.

As far as the monitor, well, any of the mentioned cards will do just fine at 1680x1050 the 6850 and 550Ti that is the perfect match to thier power, 1920x1080 would actually hurt thier performance a bit, whereas a 6950 or GTX570 or 560TI 448 shader would actually be overpowering that resolution, so that leave a few that find thier "happy" place anywhere from 1600-1900 range resolutions :)

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Yep 560 ti all the way ;) Should be able to find one for around $240. See if you can bump that Wolfdale up to around 3.6 - 3.8 Ghz....thats a similar system I gave to my Son in Law a couple of years ago, he's still running the 2 x 9800 GTX + in his...great little set-up!!
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tell him to change his old computer and grab a 2600k
and get 6770
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tell him to change his old computer and grab a 2600k and get 6770
With Ivy Bridge being expected for early Q1 2012 I would highly advise against any move to upgrade to SB's flagship model
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