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Old November 30, 2011, 03:36 PM
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If you were planning on going SLI, especially if considering the new 560 448, would have to think it would be best to perhaps go SLI right off the bat opposed to waiting an seeing how the supply/demand is an if prices will fall. Have to think they'll stay at somewhat of a premium. If you have a 570 already, there is literally NO reason to think about grabbing one up, save the E-peen factor. In all honestly, after looking at the Specs, Im not even sure wth the point is to release it, other than a quick Holiday buck.

With them being cut from the same clothe moreoreless, wonder if flashing bios will allow them to SLI or turn it into a virtual 570 at a lower price. Heres the specs from NCIX

560 Ti 448
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NVIDIA GTX 560 Ti 448 Cores
448 CUDA Cores
797 MHz GPU
1594MHz Shader Clock
Memory
1280 MB, 320 bit GDDR5
3900 MHz (effective)
156 GB/s Memory Bandwidth
Interface
PCI-E 2.0 16x
DVI-I, DVI-I, Mini-HDMI
SLI Capable
Resolution & Refresh
240Hz Max Refresh Rate
2048x1536 Max Analog
2560x1600 Max Digital

570
Performance
NVIDIA GTX 570
732 MHz GPU
480 CUDA Cores
400 MHz RAMDAC
Memory
1280 MB, 320 bit GDDR5
3800 MHz (effective)
152 GB/s Memory Bandwidth
Interface
PCI-E 2.0 16x
DVI-I, DVI-I, Mini-HDMI, DisplayPort 1.1a
SLI Capable
Resolution & Refresh
240Hz Max Refresh Rate
2048x1536 Max Analog
2560x1600 Max Digital

So really no differences, save a couple mhz in Bandwith? Once again, what is the point of the new card?
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Old November 30, 2011, 03:36 PM
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If however you're an enthusiast, and upgrade almost every generation, then whatever. Get whichever card you want and the rest be damned!
Bingo... I'm a gamer that cant justify spending ooooodles of money for high end video cards but when something like this comes along where once tweaked a little is ahead of the curve, That's what I jump on. Since I play on a 22" I dont need uber high end cards for good performance either.

So far my upgrade history has been...

6600GT(or 6800GT, cant remember)
8800GTS
9800GX2
GTX 260 c216(sli at some point)
GTX 460 768mb
Soon... a GTX 560 Ti 448

I upgrade every 18 months approximately, sometimes I buy new, or I look for good deal in used stuff. I'm usually able to resell my current card for a good amount so the hit is not too bad when I upgrade.

So this card for me hits the sweet spot price/performance wise and should keep me going for 1+ years until the next generation will have dropped in prices a little or will have a few special edition out or something. By then this car should still be worth around 100$ and help take the hit for the next one.
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Old November 30, 2011, 03:57 PM
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With them being cut from the same clothe moreoreless, wonder if flashing bios will allow them to SLI or turn it into a virtual 570 at a lower price.
The cards are essentially 570s and 580s that weren't manufactured 100%, so neutered and made the 560 Ti 448.

This isn't where they just took a card and disabled part of it, that disabled part never worked to begin with.

Also, other difference you failed to notice, CUDA cores? A small number of cores makes a big difference.
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Old November 30, 2011, 05:37 PM
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The cards are essentially 570s and 580s that weren't manufactured 100%, so neutered and made the 560 Ti 448.

This isn't where they just took a card and disabled part of it, that disabled part never worked to begin with.

Also, other difference you failed to notice, CUDA cores? A small number of cores makes a big difference.
Yeah I noticed the CUDA core difference, but for some reason didnt think it made that much of a diff. for SLI. And tbh, was thinking more along the lines of the rebranding fiasco of the 8800's/9800's/250's G92/a/b era where some were able to be reflashed an thus run together. Guess those days are long gone an not coming back around. That an the days of firing up Rivatuner and re-enabling the disabled clusters, guess everything being diamond cut isnt gonna change
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Old November 30, 2011, 05:39 PM
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Bingo... I'm a gamer that cant justify spending ooooodles of money for high end video cards but when something like this comes along where once tweaked a little is ahead of the curve, That's what I jump on. Since I play on a 22" I dont need uber high end cards for good performance either.

So far my upgrade history has been...

6600GT(or 6800GT, cant remember)
8800GTS
9800GX2
GTX 260 c216(sli at some point)
GTX 460 768mb
Soon... a GTX 560 Ti 448
Thats not too bad of an upgrade path.. I went from a duron 1ghz with ti4800 gt to an athlon 64 socket 939 (single core) 3200+ (then a second hand 4000+ as a slot in upgrade) and 7800 GT oc, this is sitting at a friends house now and his kids use it.. I play most stuff on it still when I go out for a session.(he put an 8800gt in) plays even MW2 reasonably well and smooth (if not very pretty).
popped a 5770 in about 6 months after they were released.
New machine last year (just before SB) in thingy top right (i7 950) and a 560ti a few months later when they were released.

Thinking of selling the 560 when the next gen comes out but will wait and see how my machine handles everything.

To be honest the cheaper of the 570's are about the same price as the 448 560(at least the factory OC ones)..
would like to see a comparison of a 570 oc'd vs a 560 448. (stock or cheaper custom cooling option) to see if the 560 is worth it.
I can buy a 570 for about 7 dollars difference to the msi 560.
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Really good review. But guys, do you remember when Nvidia refreshed their branding the the GTX XXX branding.

BOY, that was a good time. I mean, when is the GTX 560 Ti 448 Cores Superclocked Gaming Edition
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So NCIX has confirmed that HWC doesn't know shit about pricing apparently, and that the Ti 448s are going to cost $320-330 before MIRs, only bringing it down to $300 after MIR. The exception being the EVGA one, which is going for $299 right now (thanks to a sale).

NCIX FORUMS - Geforce GTX 560 Ti 448 Cores...Where is...

Which is disgusting, because now most of their GTX570s are going for $350-400. What a pricehike all across the board there NVIDIA.

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Yeah this card, so far, has had the opposite effect to what I would have hoped. Hope everyone that wanted a 570 by Christmas already purchased.
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So NCIX has confirmed that HWC doesn't know shit about pricing apparently, and that the Ti 448s are going to cost $320-330 before MIRs, only bringing it down to $300 after MIR. The exception being the EVGA one, which is going for $299 right now (thanks to a sale).
NCIX has proven they are hosing customers or their suppliers are hosing THEM. $320 to $330 my ass.

Newegg.ca - EVGA 012-P3-2066-KR GeForce GTX 560 Ti (Fermi) 448 Cores FTW 1280MB 320-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card

Newegg.ca - EVGA 012-P3-2068-KR GeForce GTX 560 Ti (Fermi) 448 Cores Classified 1280MB 320-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card

Newegg.ca - ZOTAC ZT-50313-10M GeForce GTX 560 Ti - 448 Cores (Fermi) 1280MB 320-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card

Newegg.ca - MSI N560GTX-Ti 448 Twin Frozr III PE/OC GeForce GTX 560 Ti - 448 Cores (Fermi) 1280MB 320-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card


In addition, in our reviews we quote USD PRICES:

Newegg.com - EVGA 012-P3-2068-KR GeForce GTX 560 Ti (Fermi) 448 Cores Classified 1280MB 320-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card

Newegg.com - EVGA 012-P3-2066-KR GeForce GTX 560 Ti (Fermi) 448 Cores FTW 1280MB 320-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
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So NCIX has confirmed that HWC doesn't know shit about pricing apparently, and that the Ti 448s are going to cost $320-330 before MIRs, only bringing it down to $300 after MIR. The exception being the EVGA one, which is going for $299 right now (thanks to a sale).

NCIX FORUMS - Geforce GTX 560 Ti 448 Cores...Where is...

Which is disgusting, because now most of their GTX570s are going for $350-400. What a pricehike all across the board there NVIDIA.
Please take this in the spirit it is given.

ALWAYS shop around and never, never...NEVER take a salesman's word as gospel. They will always spin things to their companies best advantage. Greg's answer is a perfect example of this. Another was Linus' POV on rising hard drive costs. There are plenty more for ALL the major retailers (so dont think Im picking on NCIX or anything...as I am not).

Between shopbot, pricebat, pricecanada and tons of other places you will save money. Doing otherwise just will cut into your budget.
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