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Old January 28, 2008, 04:17 PM
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Great review! Yeah I think I am still waiting for the next gen cards though.
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Old January 28, 2008, 04:23 PM
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Does anyone think that the engineering sample is perhaps not indicative of what the final retail card might be like? I know I have seen/heard about engineering sampled CPU's, and that they are actually not all they are cracked up to be.
I suppose I am mentioning this because of the poor overclocking of this card...
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Old January 28, 2008, 04:27 PM
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Too much money
It is a lot for most people (me included), but still a good price for the performance (if only the performance was more stable). Anyway, hardcore gamers shell out hundreds of dollars for a performance video card.

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Thanks and again awesome work! Oh actually just curious, did you try to put a 3870 in there with the 3870x2 just for shits and giggles to see if it'd work at all?
I doubt it would. AFAIK the drivers aren't out yet. Anyone know when they will be?

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The other promising thing that Tom's doesn't mention is that the 8800 Ultra has pretty much been maxed out as far as driver maturation goes, while this card is still in it's infancy.

Tom's seems to have a pro-nVidia bias going on, or at least an anti-ATI.
I agree. Tom's isn't exactly a reliable site.

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I hope that the ATI driver team has been burning the midnight oil in order to iron out all of the kinks associated with Crossfire gaming.
I think they have. Check out DriverHeaven.net: ATI Radeon HD 3870 X2. It looks like they've been really pushing those drivers.

Anyway, it's a good review. Thanks!
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Old January 28, 2008, 04:31 PM
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True.

hardocp's review looks pretty legit to me.

His claims that he only tests cards by actually playing the games rather than running benchmarks is an interesting technique.

Anyway, early reviews of this card haven't exactly been mind-blowing enough to run out and spend $450 (or $900 as I was thinking about getting a pair!)

Still, with driver updates, we'll have to see if it really does make it worthwhile.
Sure hope it does, it looks like ATI is depending on Crossfire scaling for their next cards.
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Old January 28, 2008, 04:32 PM
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True.

hardocp's review looks pretty legit to me.

His claims that he only tests cards by actually playing the games rather than running benchmarks is an interesting technique.

Anyway, early reviews of this card haven't exactly been mind-blowing enough to run out and spend $450 (or $900 as I was thinking about getting a pair!)

Still, with driver updates, we'll have to see if it really does make it worthwhile.
I strongly disagree with this method of benchmarking. While it would give a more realistic approach, each card would experience something different making the results irrelevant and inconsistent. I think the way everyone else does it (including SKYMTL) is the best and most accurate approach by a long shot.
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Old January 28, 2008, 04:34 PM
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Does anyone think that the engineering sample is perhaps not indicative of what the final retail card might be like? I know I have seen/heard about engineering sampled CPU's, and that they are actually not all they are cracked up to be.
I suppose I am mentioning this because of the poor overclocking of this card...
Overclocking experiences seem to vary a lot between some retail CPU and ES, which is likely the problem here (though keep in mind SKTMTL didn't use third party over clocking software). As for overall performance, I don't think it would vary much between card, if at all.
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Old January 28, 2008, 04:36 PM
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I strongly disagree with this method of benchmarking. While it would give a more realistic approach, each card would experience something different making the results irrelevant and inconsistent. I think the way everyone else does it (including SKYMTL) is the best and most accurate approach by a long shot.
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I think you make a good point. I think you'd have to at least do some sort of averages after playing the same level 4 or 5 times, but I understand what you mean.

The angle of "this is how it plays" vs. "this is how it performs in artificial benchmarks" is an interesting one. I think taking a look at that kind of review as well as the more "traditional" type just helps fill out the type of performance we might see.
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Old January 28, 2008, 04:40 PM
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I strongly disagree with this method of benchmarking. While it would give a more realistic approach, each card would experience something different making the results irrelevant and inconsistent. I think the way everyone else does it (including SKYMTL) is the best and most accurate approach by a long shot.
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Lol tell that to Kyle. He thinks it's the best way to do it. And although I think it's nice to see the highest playable settings, I do prefer the traditional approach.
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If this thread degenerates to a thread discussing the validity other websites' results I will lock it down before anyone can blink. Everyone has their own opinions about how the benchmarks should be run but in the end, you should NEVER only read one site. That is why it is good to have different ways of benching...no matter how much you agree or disagree with them.
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Old January 28, 2008, 05:56 PM
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Just wanted to say I like the Hardware Canucks reviews better than other sites. Your reviews are very detailed, and very easy to read and understand your graphs. Plus they are large enough you don't have to squint to read them.

This is by far the best review for the 3870x2 of the ones I have seen. (Just the review itself and your showing the card, comparisons in dx9 vs dx10 and vs a normal crossfire setup, etc.)

I read the part about you saying most people will most likely get older drivers with their retail card, and won't have access to the better drivers you have. Which probably will cause negative comments about the card when people get them.

EDIT: I just removed my comment about other websites after reading your post. But want to say your method of testing is far better/more accurate.
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