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Old January 28, 2008, 09:11 AM
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Just wanted to comment about those power consumption numbers. Apparently the power consumption drops considerably when in idle vs other cards. Do you have any idle power numbers?
I will post them tonight. I didn't have the time to put everything I wanted into the review.
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Old January 28, 2008, 09:13 AM
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Superb review with the type of depth we would expect from HWC. A couple of grammar and spelling slip-ups here and there. I'm not a fan of first-person diction in articles, but this one's depth made up for it.

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Old January 28, 2008, 09:29 AM
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Some weird sht is going on here. go over to Tom's hardware and AnAndTech. I also checked out HardOCP and ExtremeTech. its like you guys and the four of them got five different models of cards.

Your card is roughly on par with the GTX or a bit better (somewhat like Tom's) but Tom's claims a price point of $590 and COMPLETELY different results game to game. Also, Tom's claims the new drivers did nothing, while everyone else seems to think that they had a pretty serious effect.

HardOCP and ExtremeTech actually have it solidly losing to the GTX.

AnAndTech's results look like the second coming of christ in silicon form (it even runs neck and neck with 8800GTXs in SLI).

And EVERYONE gets better OC results than you do!

I understand that everyone uses a different test bed, etc., but this seems odd. If I were an optimistic person, I'd chalk it up to immature drivers that will only make the card better soon. If I was a pessimist, I'd guess that ATI has serious/ borderline fatal quality control problems. I can only hope the situation improves.

Well, great review anyways, and I'll probably buy one regardless, just to get some good canadian engineering for my PC. Thanks.
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The other promising thing that Tom's doesn't mention is that the 8800 Ultra has pretty much been maxed out as far as driver maturation goes, while this card is still in it's infancy.

Tom's seems to have a pro-nVidia bias going on, or at least an anti-ATI.
Guys, you really should not use Tomshardware as a comparitive site. Heavily biased and most likely paid to be so. They are just not reputable.

SKYMTL, nice review. Thank goodness we have such a great source for hardware reviews inside Canada. I am on the fence about either a pair of 3870's or the X2 and you pretty much just made my mind up! Thanks again!
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Great review SKYMTL! As always you went the extra mile to get those new driver benchmarks up for the review.

The only thing I don't agree with is your complaint about the 8 & 6 pin connector placement.....

It might not be pretty, but at least it doesn't add to the already massive length of the card. I seem to recall a few comments about power connector length being the deciding factor for a few folks when they were measuring out their case for longer vid cards.
I agree with your thought that it doesn't make the length an issue like having it on the same horizontal plane as the card. I would much rather see it them pointed vertical! would make it a lot easier to connect and you could do better cable management that way too!
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I think Tom's was just too lazy to redo their tests. They said the new drivers offered no performance increase, so they stuck w/ the old results, but I don't believe that at all.
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Great review!
Specially considering the timing with the new drivers.
Just to add a couple of things:
The card does have the BIOS locked @860 like the earlier HD3870, and also it has 2 Bioses, so people might have to flash it twice.
As for different numbers in different reviews -well I've seen some testing it on mobos with PCIe 1.1.

Nice work

P.S. Grab a bigger monitor if you get a chance so you can run 19x12 and 25x16.
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P.S. Grab a bigger monitor if you get a chance so you can run 19x12 and 25x16.
I wish we had the budget for that right now.....
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I wish we had the budget for that right now.....
Heh....

Show of hands folks.... how many people think the mods here get all of their gear for free????? :)
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Even though the Device Manager still picks up two cards, there is no way to enable / disable Crossfire so that option is not there.
All ATI card that have 2 output show in the device manager has 2 card,

my 9600XT, 9800PRO and X1950XT all do it....
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Guys, you really should not use Tomshardware as a comparitive site. Heavily biased and most likely paid to be so. They are just not reputable.
True.

hardocp's review looks pretty legit to me.

His claims that he only tests cards by actually playing the games rather than running benchmarks is an interesting technique.

Anyway, early reviews of this card haven't exactly been mind-blowing enough to run out and spend $450 (or $900 as I was thinking about getting a pair!)

Still, with driver updates, we'll have to see if it really does make it worthwhile.
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