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Old January 27, 2008, 07:23 AM
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With NVidia's nForce 780a, 750a, 790i, 790i and Ultra chipsets, as well as the GeForce 9800 GX2 graphics rumored to be delayed until march, ATI's 3870 X2 will likely have a term as the reigning Performance King of video cards.

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Yay! Their card is pretty exciting though. Can't wait till some more die shrinks, and quad cards start to surface.
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Well considering it's Feb in like 2 days, March is not that far away. I think the latest x2 is really exciting and I think there 38** cards are fantastic price/performance. But this is kind of a moot point since there really isn't anything in the x2 category to compete with ATI, and we know the nVidia version will likely beat it.

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and we know the nVidia version will likely beat it.
Based on what do you make this claim? the excellent scaling of SLI ?
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Well really I am speculating, but speculating based on the recent history of Nvidia cards beating out similarly classed ATI cards (since the 8800s showed up). Maybe I am being premature... won't be long before we know for sure anyways *shrugs*.
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I've been an ATI user for a lot of years and my 8800GT is my first nVidea card in well... ever. Nice to see ATI starting to get their wheels again being the home team and all. That merger with AMD just about sunk both companies or I suppose the ONE company but I have no idea how that could possibly happen given each success prior to the merger but apparently it did. Or was it a take over??? Either way I'm sure it's hard to develop a product with no $$$.


Nice to see that there may be some good competition again to hopefully help spur some new developments.
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I've been an ATI user for a lot of years and my 8800GT is my first nVidea card in well... ever. Nice to see ATI starting to get their wheels again being the home team and all. That merger with AMD just about sunk both companies or I suppose the ONE company but I have no idea how that could possibly happen given each success prior to the merger but apparently it did. Or was it a take over??? Either way I'm sure it's hard to develop a product with no $$$.


Nice to see that there may be some good competition again to hopefully help spur some new developments.
Well the merger happened at a really bad time for both companies. Both of their competitors came out w/ stellar products that were well beyond expectation (8800 series from Nvidia, Core 2 Duo from Intel) shortly after the merger and AMD/ATI has just been trying to keep its head above water ever since. ATI's making progress slowly but surely ... AMD, on the other hand, needs to get fast Phenoms on shelves quickly at low prices ...
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I've been an ATI user for a lot of years and my 8800GT is my first nVidea card in well... ever. Nice to see ATI starting to get their wheels again being the home team and all. That merger with AMD just about sunk both companies or I suppose the ONE company but I have no idea how that could possibly happen given each success prior to the merger but apparently it did. Or was it a take over??? Either way I'm sure it's hard to develop a product with no $$$.


Nice to see that there may be some good competition again to hopefully help spur some new developments.
been a huge fan on amd and ati has well

bought like 6-7 rig with athlon Xp and 4-5 rig with Athlon 64 (dual and single core)

i've been using ati card in the 9000 series, had 9600Se, XT 9800, Pro xt etc.

when i bought my 1st athlon 64 system, the 6600GT was the best bang for the buck, then i upgrade for my x1950XT when the HD2900XT came out, those where pretty cheap and performed well for their $$$


all that to say that both world (cpu anf GPU) are cycle, sometimes its one compagny is the king and then its the dark side that is the king

Ati have been the king with their 9000 series, remember the Fx series how it was crappy compare to the 9600,9700,9800.

also remember how those shitty pentium 4 where comapre to the new athlon 64, pentium d against athlon 64 X2 .....

but remember how the geforce 6 were comapre to the X serie of ati, nvidia had sahder 3 and all the new tech while ati didnt, then Intel came with is Athlon 64 killer, the Core 2 Duo.

seems like all compagny when they are the king pass more time releassing product that are similar to his best seller product then his competitor, they also pass more time celebrating their victory then they do in Reaseach and devellopement,

how many 8800 are there in store?? GTS 32/640, gts 512, GTX, ultra GT, GS ....

how many athlon 64 (single or dual core) there in store??? socket 754, 939, am2, am2+ ....

like i said when you are the king you have more pleasure celebrating your victory then working and thats why the competition will bet you in a few month, because while you were celebrating your victory they have put twice the effort that you did to release something better and then knock your balls off,

thats why we have cycle like this in the cpu and the gpu world, and thats sad. but when both compagny are head to head then the customer is now happy, he can chose what he want dependig of his fan club and have good price because theirs a price war ...... when only one is the king then he puts dman huge price to make money so he could celebrate ... thats exactly what is going with intel/amd right now but with the price war in the GPU world going on. we can have great card for cheap (3850, 8800GT ect.) compare to the 8800GTX when it 1st came out

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Based on what do you make this claim? the excellent scaling of SLI ?
Consider that the 8800GT SLI beats the 3870 CF in most benchmarks. And the 9800GX2 looks like two 8800GTS's it will likely be even faster than that. But ATI should have better drivers by the time the 9800GX2 is released, especially if they keep working on them like they have this past week. And it is all speculation. Although I would love it if the 3870X2 beat the 9800GX2 I just don't see it happening. It might have a better price/performance ratio though.

Just my thoughts.
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