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Old December 15, 2010, 10:21 AM
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Registered today just to compliment your review. I find it very strange that HWC appears to be the only site using current/updated drivers for benching.

IMO both the 6970 & 6950 deliver terrific performance in their price category. So the 6970 isn't as fast as everyone had hoped, but its close and relatively affordable.
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Old December 15, 2010, 10:26 AM
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Registered today just to compliment your review. I find it very strange that HWC appears to be the only site using current/updated drivers for benching.

IMO both the 6970 & 6950 deliver terrific performance in their price category. So the 6970 isn't as fast as everyone had hoped, but its close and relatively affordable.
We used both drivers and the be honest, there is absolutely no difference between them other than a small bump in the 3DM11 scores (VERY small) and a bug that fixed some crashing in F1 2010. So in essence, everyone used the same drivers and all 10.12 will do is add the items I mentioned above.
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Old December 15, 2010, 10:51 AM
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AMD was planning to release the HD6970 the same way as the 5870 with the same 400$+ price(maybe as an answer to the GTX480). Then out of the blue came Nvidia and released the 580 that caught AMD with their pants down, so immideately they have delayed their release by almost a month in which they were finding a way to cut costs(cause the realized they won't be able to compete with the 580) in order to stay competitive ah, and copy the vapor chamber heatsink as well.
Interesting just to think how much waves of rumors were surrounding AMD's 69xx
cards while Nvidia came almost out of no where and literally blew them out.
I'm not a fanboy of neither of NV or AMD I just try to look at it from a honest point of view and thats how things look to me. Personally I take what's best(that's why last couple of years I was running with Radeons), but in this case AMD has had it.
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Old December 15, 2010, 11:22 AM
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Thanks SKY. As usual one of the best reviews on the net.
By chance do you take a peek under the hood? It looks like every Cayman was hand polished to accommodate the cooler.

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Old December 15, 2010, 11:40 AM
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so immideately they have delayed their release by almost a month in which they were finding a way to cut costs(cause the realized they won't be able to compete with the 580) in order to stay competitive ah, and copy the vapor chamber heatsink as well.
Ummmm, it doesn't work like that. I gaurentte you the PCB's and GPU's were fabbed and finished before the GTX 580 Launched, I'd be willing to bet my entire SR2 rig on it.

GPU Development times span YEARS, not months. Sure, maybe they delayed the card because of the GTX 580, try and get some last minute driver polish on it, build up some better stock. Maybe there was a parts shortage, or maybe they found a last minute bios bug they had to fix and reflash all the card.

Whatever the reason was, the vapor chamber heatsink was finished and designed, the majority of the cards componets choices and costs were finalized, done and built WAYYYY before the GTX580 was even a rumour.

You can't change ANY of that in only a month, only minor changes can be done so late in a produt development right before its to launch.
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Thanks SKY. As usual one of the best reviews on the net.
By chance do you take a peek under the hood? It looks like every Cayman was hand polished to accommodate the cooler.

i thought only wiz's cards had it...hmm.....


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I think we found the reason for the delay!
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it cant be that straightforward, got to do more with clocks.


a couple months ago 780mhz vs 880mhz mightve been acceptable due to the gtx 480 hog being around as top dog.

the cooler thing...hmm....they did all that in one month? took nv 6 to come up with the cooler lol
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i thought only wiz's cards had it...hmm.....
Nope, some of my friends have it too.
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nice review there too.

ok,so in order for the higher clocks not to screw with temps AND noise, it took a month to file some plastic, add the vapor chamber, and prepare the necessary bios? :)
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