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Old December 15, 2010, 05:56 AM
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I suspect PowerTune will make an already abysmal PPD output even worse. At the very least, they should have offered the option to turn it off completely, and let the end user worry about managing temps.
I'm willing to bet that someone will find a way around the powertune TDP limit very quickly
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Old December 15, 2010, 06:22 AM
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Let's put some things to rest...

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It (6970)won't have a hard time at all, and with a close to 40% price difference between it and a 580 I don't see how that can be downplayed so much. 'Top' end cards being run at 'top' end displays like 30" or multi-monitor setups are showing the difference to be nowhere near a 40% price variance.

We're going to see a GTX280 style price chop, there's no way things will remain as is.
IMO, the HD 6970 will have a VERY hard time simply because the vast majority of gamers AREN'T playing at or near 2560 x 1600. Take a look at the Steam hardware survey; the GTX 570 has a significant edge in the price / performance area for the most-used monitor setups.

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I'm really torn between the GTX 570 and HD 6970. The GTX 570 looks like a far better buy atm but I'm curious as to how much newer drivers will affect the performance of the 6970. Especially considering It manages to beat the GTX 580 at 2560x1600 on the just cause 2 benchmark and seems to jump around in terms of performance on a few of the other benchmarks.
It is funny how when an AMD card is released, people always wave around the driver card. To think AMD would release a card without optimized drivers is preposterous to say the least. Plus, if history is anything to go by, any performance increase by AMD through driver optimization will be more than matched by NVIDIA's own release program.

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Till the 6990 comes out and spanks it? lol.... The 580 still barely beats a 5970, and looses to it often enough too
And if you think NVIDIA doesn't have an answer to the 6990, you're mistaken. I'll go on record right now saying that before Q2 2011 NVIDIA will hold the single and dual GPU performance crowns. You can quote me on that.

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Excellent review. Just a question; why no 1920 x 1200 or 1680 x 1050 in 8x tests?
The testing suite is being slowly redone. Expect 8x AA testing at 1920 x 1200 in the future.

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CF results/review coming anytime soon?
I am hoping to have a full NVIDIA vs AMD dual card scaling article sometime in the new year.

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How come the HWC is the only site that really likes the cards? Vortez or Overclock 3D are not happy at all...
Does it have to do with different procing here in Europe?
Different strokes for different folks.
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i think they took this route not to kill 6870 sales, as probably theres a whole boatload around. now if they drop said pricing a mere 25-50$ across the board? whohoooo


although, if youre crossfiring 6950's, even at stock youre owing all.
I think instead of adding more FPSs, they focused on improving the image quality. even if 68xx CF or 460 SLI scores higher in benchmarks, it will keep falling behind the higher the resolution, details, aa output becomes while the 69xx will barely slow down, thanks to its generous dose of RAM.
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time will tell, lets wait for the folks with the comparisons and see whats what.

on a side note, the delay was probably worth it if it was only a matter of upping the frequencies. which is probably a good 100 mhz over previous release numbers, and maybe 150 or more for any es cards one may have seen and or heard of ;)
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Interesting, all about pricing once things settle down. In retrospect Nvidia did a great job with the supposedly accelerated calendar on the GTX570 and 580. I haven't check but how is availibility on those ?


So next stop are dual cards and refresh on the mid-low end. Good stuff, but nothing that make me wanna drop my 480.
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time will tell, lets wait for the folks with the comparisons and see whats what.

on a side note, the delay was probably worth it if it was only a matter of upping the frequencies. which is probably a good 100 mhz over previous release numbers, and maybe 150 or more for any es cards one may have seen and or heard of ;)
My bet the reason for the delay was over this software throttling. I bet it was found way too late that the cards were going WAY outside their thermal or power envelope and this last minute kludge was thrown together OR the opposite was true and they always wanted to screw with the power to heat ratio BUT the original version was too aggressive. Either case would explain the short delay as it was too short for hardware changes...but just right for a last minute hail mary software kludge.

Heres to hoping that they cut prices and kick off a GPU price war as right now it doesnt look all that good for the high end or even the mid end card shopper right now.
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not so sure about that, at least till said limiter can be fully disabled.
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I'm kinda satisfied with that card :) Some leaked bench were pointing to more performance but with this price tag so low and sometime going par the 580 it's a really agressive card. Good job AMD.
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I am a little perplexed by the wattage numbers (maybe perplexed is a strong word), but every other review I have read with the exception of one, but they have the GTX 580 drawing less than the 570 so I can't trust their results, has the 6970 drawing as much or less than the GTX 570.

It's a shame nVidia can't do multimonitor with one card, as the 6970 seems to make up a lot of ground as resolution and AA increase (the opposite of the 5xxx series vs 4xx IIRC).

As it stands though, looks like the 570 is the choice for res up to 1920x1200 and 4xAA, above it would seem 6970 is the choice (even sometimes vs 580).

Finally the Steam survey is somewhat useless in that the majority of people are using cards that are several generations old. Let's face it most of the people are playing valve games which aren't that demanding relatively to more modern games, and even those due to being console ports aren't pushing the boundaries. I honestly doubt the people playing CS, TF2 or even L4D will be rushing out to buy GTX 5xx or HD 6xxx cards. The GTX 4xx series cards are barely a drop in the bucket on the survey (though the HD 5xxx series seems to be more popular).
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How come the HWC is the only site that really likes the cards? Vortez or Overclock 3D are not happy at all...
Does it have to do with different procing here in Europe?
Hardocp also really liked the 6950 2GB model.

I think the DP 1.2 stuff is probably the most exciting part of it.

Sky, one question, did the included marketing stuff discuss whether the MiniDP to DP will be included?

Thanks for a great and thorough review.
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