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Old December 10, 2010, 09:39 AM
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Dan, you know better. SKYMTL takes his NDA's seriously. He can't talk about dates. And if you read prior launch reviews, it's not uncommon for him to get cards only 2-3 days before launch. IIRC, he got one card about 12 hours before launch.
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Old December 10, 2010, 09:43 AM
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err,sorry. i didn't ask. well, silence is an answer too. i like his down to earth comments when one's wrong or far from the one date :)


if i were amd, i wouldn't worry too mucho about the 580 as it is priced right now, but given the pricing on the 570, i would worry.quite a bit. that is unless the 6950 was priced at 299 or something ;)

of course, i have no idea what the stock clocks are supposed to be, and as everyone and their sister?(i cant use the and their mom in here for obvious reasons lol) that can make quite a difference.
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I understand that from a "bottom line" aspect, NVidia's play on the situation was good for them, good for their shareholders and possibly good for the future of the company in the short run, but what about the people who buy the products that they produce? I know that product loyalty doesn't really exist in the PC world, but c'mon...

I know that the whole battle between AMD and NVidia is really symbiotic and that we need both of them in order to advance the process of GPU development and also to keep prices in check (Once again NVidia charging TONS of money for their 8 series cards when ATI's 3000 series were total flops). I know that ATI would most likely turn around and stab me and everyone else in the back if it proved to be profitable. I guess it's just been the recently that NVidia has been bugging me. Ever since the 8 series pricing, then the laptop GPU issues, then the 9 series rehashing, then the 200 series over pricing, then the wooden fermi "demo model", then the 400 series issue and now the release of brand new cards that are essentially rehashes of the old fermi's bit with enhanced cooling (vapor) and better voltage / wattage control.

Why didn't they implement these changes in the beginning!? They were already so far behind on their fermi roadmap. You would think that with all the delays and so on that they would have made it up to their customers by going a little extra and releasing something worth while? Not some overheating, power suckling monstrosity of a card that barely beat / stuck with ATI cards that were released months earlier.
I agree to an extent that it would have been a better overall ideal if the 500 was the first series, however we get what we get because they needed market share in the DX11 place. End of the day we get an awesome midrange 460 that fits the bill for the vast majority of people out there. ATi is not out of the woods either in these regards. Look at the massive supply bottleneck they had on a manufacturing process that didn't have the ability to keep up. There were a lot of shortages in the inital stages. Fermi's process was plauged by poor yields as well and that is what held them back to some degree too.

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Regardless of what is thought about NVidia, it was a GREAT review Sky! Keep 'em coming! Like others, i'm salivating for the AMD 6900 series reviews!!!
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I understand that from a "bottom line" aspect, NVidia's play on the situation was good for them, good for their shareholders and possibly good for the future of the company in the short run, but what about the people who buy the products that they produce? I know that product loyalty doesn't really exist in the PC world, but c'mon...

I know that the whole battle between AMD and NVidia is really symbiotic and that we need both of them in order to advance the process of GPU development and also to keep prices in check (Once again NVidia charging TONS of money for their 8 series cards when ATI's 3000 series were total flops). I know that ATI would most likely turn around and stab me and everyone else in the back if it proved to be profitable. I guess it's just been the recently that NVidia has been bugging me. Ever since the 8 series pricing, then the laptop GPU issues, then the 9 series rehashing, then the 200 series over pricing, then the wooden fermi "demo model", then the 400 series issue and now the release of brand new cards that are essentially rehashes of the old fermi's bit with enhanced cooling (vapor) and better voltage / wattage control.

Why didn't they implement these changes in the beginning!? They were already so far behind on their fermi roadmap. You would think that with all the delays and so on that they would have made it up to their customers by going a little extra and releasing something worth while? Not some overheating, power suckling monstrosity of a card that barely beat / stuck with ATI cards that were released months earlier.
I agree...its all a damn conspiracy to personally stroke me and all "green team" users.......now dare they??!!
I have had nothing but sleepless nights thinking about what an "udder failure" my 480's were, not to mention selling them to a fellow Forum member at such a reduced price (only re-cooping 65% of my cost) .....oh God......I simply am besides myself.....no idea what to do now!!!

Imagine them (nv) releasing another GPU only 7 months after the 480......I should have seen it coming! Man, I should never have purchased my 580's as I'm pretty sure there will be something new in May / June...?....maybe I should have waited this time....dammit,,,whoas me....and damn nv!!

........Now seriously......take a "chill pill"...its only a GPU!!
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I agree...its all a damn conspiracy to personally stroke me and all "green team" users.......now dare they??!!
I have had nothing but sleepless nights thinking about what an "udder failure" my 480's were, not to mention selling them to a fellow Forum member at such a reduced price (only re-cooping 65% of my cost) .....oh God......I simply am besides myself.....no idea what to do now!!!

Imagine them (nv) releasing another GPU only 7 months after the 480......I should have seen it coming! Man, I should never have purchased my 580's as I'm pretty sure there will be something new in May / June...?....maybe I should have waited this time....dammit,,,whoas me....and damn nv!!

........Now seriously......take a "chill pill"...its only a GPU!!
HA HA HA HA HA HA !!!!! nice one
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People seem to forget that in the "good old days" of the GPU industry, products were refreshed at MOST once every 9 months. Take the X1800 for example. It was launched in October 2005 while it's replacement the X1900 series was introduced in March 2006. In those days, this ~6-month turn around was the norm so why is a 9-month cycle suddenly bitch-worthy?
People got used to the G80/G92 reign. That's all thats happened.
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If you feel cheated for being an early adopter...that's your problem. Nobody forced you to buy the GTX400's, you made that choice. Granted the future is unpredictable and the GTX500 launch certainly took us by surprise, but if anything you had to know Nvidia would come back strong. For people buying the GTX500's, Nvidia has already released a statement about their upcoming plans, namely GPU Codename Keplar in 2011, Fermi's first successor, and GPU Codename Maxwell in 2013. Keplar is planned to be 4x faster then Fermi watt for watt, and Maxwell 10-12x faster.

I guess my point is do your homework before you consume. Nobody is forcing you to buy, so why can you complain? Early adopters always get shafted, that's how the technology industry is.
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It's a never ending cycle, early adopters get shafted, late adopters get obsolete hardware, while early adopters enjoy the nest best thing, followed by late adopters who get stable refreshed product only to get envy those early adopters who get the next architecture chip, while late adopters get the die shrink of the same architeture which would last a few months before early adopters get one step ahead, so on and so forth..
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I really like that card the load temps are amazing. I am really tempted toadd my 285s to the pile of vidcards I have and buy one of these instead. wouldn't copper be cooler then Aluminum for cooling or am I wrong?
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