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Old October 19, 2010, 08:05 AM
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It's not the power of the GPU that upset me. It's the branding of it as a 68xx series! It was supposed to be priced similarly as last year's 57xx. Now that it is a 68xx, they just slapped an extra 80$ on it without doing any extra work on it.
Totally agree with Luay79. AMD has the advantage & is taking advantage of it. Too bad for consumers. No more performance level cards in the $250-$300 range. (Remember the 4890?) I'm afraid the performance cards will continue to increase in price in the next few years.
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Old October 19, 2010, 08:52 AM
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The retail prices of cards is almost soley dependent on the competition in that market segment. The 4890 was priced aggressively because ATI was getting stuff competition from the GTX 200 series cards from NVidia.

For $250 the Radeon 6870 will offer you almost the same amount of performance of the $399 5870 with a load TDP of 150w and only 18w idle. That's a pretty powerful card with great thermal characteristics for the price if you ask me.

You seem to be getting too hung up on the model number.
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Old October 19, 2010, 08:56 AM
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with a load TDP of 150w and only 18w idle.
Please remember there is a big difference between TDP, Max Board Power and real-world power consumption.
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Please remember there is a big difference between TDP, Max Board Power and real-world power consumption.
Very true...let me clarify.

The 6870 has a Thermal Design Power (TDP) of 151w load, 19w idle. Actual power consumption tends to be lower...which is even better yet. Obviously, as soon as you overclock the card or modify voltages, TDP goes out the window.
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Old October 19, 2010, 10:24 AM
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Actually, the HD 5850 had a MAX BOARD POWER of 151W. Many publications mistakenly reported that as TDP.

Max Board Power is basically the peak current a given ASIC is designed to consume but that doesn't necessarily mean it will actually utilize that whole allotment. Some core designs tend to operate closer to their designed MBP than others. The HD 5800 series is particularly interesting because actual load power consumption tended to be reasonably lower than their stated Max Board Power.
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The retail prices of cards is almost soley dependent on the competition in that market segment. The 4890 was priced aggressively because ATI was getting stuff competition from the GTX 200 series cards from NVidia.

For $250 the Radeon 6870 will offer you almost the same amount of performance of the $399 5870 with a load TDP of 150w and only 18w idle. That's a pretty powerful card with great thermal characteristics for the price if you ask me.

You seem to be getting too hung up on the model number.
I agree that the price of the cards is dependent on the competition. AMD simply has no competition in these mid to high range categories. This is what I'm talking about. Three generations of "SAME CATEGORY" cards:

HD 4770 MSRP $99 usd http://www.guru3d.com/article/ati-ra...d-4770-review/
HD 5770 MSRP $159 usd http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon...-review-test/2
HD 6870 MSRP $250 usd (Rumoured)

HD 4870 MSRP $299 usd http://www.guru3d.com/article/amd-at...024mb-review/2
HD 5870 MSRP $399 usd http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon...0-review-test/
HD 6970 MSRP $499 usd ??? Educated guess

Obviously, AMD has been increasing prices as the competition dwindles.
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Old October 20, 2010, 12:11 AM
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I'm not saying those benchmarks are factual, too early to tell, but are interesting.
Dirt 2 - Ultra DX11 @ 1920x1200, 8xAA, 16xAF
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6870
6850
460 1GB
460 768MB
Tessellation issue has been solved.

Battleforge 5760x1080 - DX10.1 That's 3 displays and obviously too much to handle,
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6850 CF
460 1GB SLI
460 768MB SLI
but the CF scaling is off the hook.
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the difference in the last graph is perhaps so large because the ati cards are meant for tri screen. well,ok, not meant maybe but better at it :)


....the fun part is the power needed to reach that....i.e. fps/watt ...vs nvidia's current fermi. all i can say im glad i have a kill a watt handy lol
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Old October 20, 2010, 05:22 AM
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It's hard to trust early benchmarks, but they all seem to be positive so I'm hopefull.
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