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Old September 13, 2010, 11:38 AM
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First off, excellent review.

Now that some reviews and prices are floating around the web I think this card is competitive. IMO opinion reference models are competing with the 5750, while cards with a decent OC are getting closer to the 5770 (though on average are not quite there). Reference clocked cards are selling on newegg for around the same price as cheaper 5750 (though the 5750s have MIR...can't expect that from a brand new card), and OC cards are selling for around the same as a 5770 (with MIR). Once some sales start showing up this will be a good buy, especially for those who prefer the green side, or fold. I still think AMD(ATI) is the way to go at this price range for strictly gaming (unless you play one of the games that this card does well at).

I wonder if this is going to cause some pricing changes to occur, or if both sides will leave their cards battle it out at their current prices.
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Old September 13, 2010, 11:40 AM
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Newegg.ca - ASUS ENGTS450 DIRECTCU/DI/1GD5 GeForce GTS 450 (Fermi) 1GB 128-bit DDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card

Only $135.49. Downside is that it's not the TOP version so it's not clocked as high. However everything else looks the same so it seems that one can easily achieve the clocks of the TOP version, and then some.

$10 more gets you the reviewed factory OC model. LINK
Not a bad gain for $10...I wonder if any of the components used are different, or if they are identical other than the OC?
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Old September 13, 2010, 11:48 AM
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so 450 = 5770 in average cases. I was hoping for something a little more significant. But I think this is quite competitive to the (already kinda useless by price point) 5770. Especially at the $135 linked above, it's just slightly cheaper (at the moment anyway) then a 5770, if the 5770 drops then I think the 5770 would be the best choice again, but for sub $150.. it's a toss up.

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Old September 13, 2010, 11:59 AM
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Personally, at this price point, I think I'd be more inclined to look at the 5770 if gaming was my priority, especially if a person is looking at an AMD chipset (crossfire option), but as folding is my priority, this card wins hands down in this price point.

edit: Other than folding, I think the real story here is that Nvidia has finally moved on from the rebranded 8800/9800/250 line of GPUs.
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well not many people look at folding farms as compared to gaming. and only because AMD and stanford, for some reason which I'm not aware of, do not work well with each other. I personally would still wait for the GF108 (the 5670 competitor) before refreshing a folding farm, seeing as down scaling fermi doesn't seem to downscale the points equally.
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if prices go down a good 20-30 yes. like a pair of gtx 460 1 gigers run you around 440 and spank the 480, these shouldve been priced lower or at least on par with one 460 :)

itll be interesting when slim models come out. then you can populate all those lonely pci-e slots with folding little munstas :)



edit gf108 will feature even less under the hood, may not be worth it to occuppy you only 2 or so pci-e slots with them. now those should be priced really cheap, like 150 for a pair or better
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well for folding farms, if you have a quad sli board with 4 gf108s pulling 6-7k each or something.. that's ALOT cheaper then 4 450s and probably even 2 460s
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well for folding farms, if you have a quad sli board with 4 gf108s pulling 6-7k each or something.. that's ALOT cheaper then 4 450s and probably even 2 460s

That is just a FUD guess at best unless you can provide proof. As far as I know no one has g108 folding numbers so saying they'll pull 6 or 7k is the same as saying they'll produce 100k.
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As far as folding goes... it's a great replacement for the 8800/9800/250 for folks who're either looking for a budget single folding card, or more importantly multiple cards for a folding farm.

When I was looking for folding farm cards (admittedly this was a while ago), even the 250s were high(ish) pricewise, and the only cards that could come close to this kind of output started around $250.

If the #s stand... the output is pretty close to what I get with my GTX275, and pretty well on par with what I get with my GTX 280. This is with the two cards running the older GPU2 client.... running the GPU3 client (which the 450 does) in my experience comes with a 10 - 15% penalty for non-fermi cards. Sooner or later the GPU2 WUs will run out and we'll be forced to accept that penalty which will make the output of the 450 look even better.

I admit that the 460's newly announced pricing would make the decision a bit harder, but atm the lowest price I can find for any 460 is $179 while the 450 can be found for $139. $40 is a fairly large difference in price when you're looking at a budget card, especially if a person was looking at getting two or more of them.

Hopefully I'll have one folding fairly soon to see if the PPD of 8.5K on an OC'd card stands the test of time. ;)
I agree with this. I am looking for two new cards to replace my 285s with (to save on my power draw on my breaker), so the ~60w I will save from two 450 cards might be useful. The 460 is still mighty tempting though. PPD/watt-wise its a toss up, but for those on the edge of what the breaker can do this might help a little.

In the meantime, if the 460 goes down in price at all, then it would still be the card to go with....right now, its a toss-up in my books.
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i think the slides were saying around 70-80 watts per card,might be wrong though. but halved motor doesnt necessarily equal good ppd/dollar spent :)
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