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Old March 31, 2010, 07:46 AM
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I'm not justifying my purchase and have no need to. I also buy Nvidia cards if they are better. I could even sell my current card for as much as I spent on it new. Just in my opinion something is not better just because it performs slightly faster at stock speeds while using 50 - 100% more power depending what review you believe and running a lot hotter. It is also easy to surpass the performance of the 470 using a 5850 at a mild overclock and the power consumption and heat generated is still a lot lower.

Also you were comparing Auto fan speeds using the ATI cards as well the difference is that the ATI card fans were running a lot slower and quieter and still managing to keep the cards cooler.
Looking at this statement objectively; It only holds true if the NVidia card begins to lose ground to the ATI cars, on its way toward its maximum overclock. At that point you could say that the NVidia card is just tweaked higher and consumes more power. However if the NVidia card holds its ground or gains in overclocking, then you are back to square one. It becomes a personal choice, as to A)If your system can handle the power and heat B)Is the slightly better performance worth it to you.

I think those are the basic choices someone has right now if they don't already own a 5870 or a 5850.
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Old March 31, 2010, 08:32 AM
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NVIDIA GTX 480 & GTX 470 Pre-Sale Numbers Show Promise

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Old March 31, 2010, 12:09 PM
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Even if I were still running on my old 8800GTS I still would buy ATI 5870. I mean look at the temperatures, over 90c in load! I have ATI 5870 Vapor-X and it is 33c in idle and 55 in load. And I have two 140mm intake fans at 950rpm and one exhaust 120mm fan at 950rpm.
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Old March 31, 2010, 12:21 PM
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The only gripe I h ave about this is that these cards arent the 5xxx killers they had us hyped up to be. I was really hoping for a much cheaper and refined xfx 5870 to add to my machine. But it seems the GTX 4xx cards are going the way of the radeon 2xxx series at launch. In fact its eerily similar to that situation.
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Old March 31, 2010, 12:24 PM
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Even if I were still running on my old 8800GTS I still would buy ATI 5870. I mean look at the temperatures, over 90c in load! I have ATI 5870 Vapor-X and it is 33c in idle and 55 in load. And I have two 140mm intake fans at 950rpm and one exhaust 120mm fan at 950rpm.
Remember that the over 90c is in high stress benchmarking, and intense games will probably run at about 80c +/- on auto fan. Higher fan percentages will give you a cooler (but louder) card. Again I think that the decision is up to each individual, but all facts should be taken into account. It is definitely a hotter, more power hungry card, but I think people are thinking they'll be in the 90s all of the time.
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GTX 480 thermal versus 5870 thermal.

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Old March 31, 2010, 12:33 PM
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wow! That's some serious but disappointing numbers (due to overhype). I will be holding on to my money and wait for the Nvidia "485" or whatever "xx5" series when Nvidia improve on the die size and efficiencies and make full use of the 512 cores.

As far as fan speeds and temps are concern. I think running the fan at 60% should keep the card at ~70C-ish. My current 285 SLI setup peaks at ~70C @60% fan speed while playing a game like... bad company 2.

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The only gripe I h ave about this is that these cards arent the 5xxx killers they had us hyped up to be. I was really hoping for a much cheaper and refined xfx 5870 to add to my machine. But it seems the GTX 4xx cards are going the way of the radeon 2xxx series at launch. In fact its eerily similar to that situation.
Sorry If this turned out to be a double post. I didn't see this reply until after I posted my last response.

Some of the interesting facts that I noticed.
  • When one of the reviewers reviewed the GTX4xx against the 5xxx without using the latest Catalyst Drivers (10.3), the GTX 470 was equal and even beating the 5870 in performance. So technically, ATI responded REALLY well to NVidia's release by releasing their new drivers.
  • Nvidia's driver team is still getting used to the new architecture. I would expect small increases in performance over the first couple of months after release, and a significant jump at some point (when they have it all figured out)
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One of the great things about the Geforce GTX 480 and 470 is that they were designed to be more future proof than our competitors DX11 offerings. As more DX11 games come out and become more complex, you will see the performance of our Geforce GTX 480 and 470 cards show a much larger gap compared to our competitor DX11 current offerings.


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It should be. Also, keep in mind, the Geforce GTX 400 series is an entirely new architecture for us and this means our driver performance will only get better over time. The Geforce GTX 295 is based on the Geforce 200 series which is fundamentally based on the architecture introduced in the Geforce 8800GTX we our driver team has had time to become familiar with the architecture. The last major new architecture before that was the Geforce 6800Ultra. T

I think these cards will be far more impressive down the line. However ATI did an incredible job of keeping their cards competitive for this release.
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Old March 31, 2010, 12:52 PM
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What are the dimensions of the 480? Is it bigger or smaller than the 285? It's hard to tell in the side by side pictures.
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