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Old March 28, 2010, 02:33 PM
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the drivers taking over in rendering dx9 instead of dx11 is quite interesting. care,at a later date, expand a bit brother sky? you could prove a few other reviews quite wrong percentages wise if it were the case indeed...:)
Don't understand what you are saying. Sorry.
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Old March 28, 2010, 02:33 PM
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D) If you have a HD 5870, you shouldn't upgrade to a GTX 480 unless you don't like money.
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Old March 28, 2010, 02:43 PM
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I've stayed out of this conversation for a while simply because some of the comments boggle my mind. For the vast majority of the time over the next few days, I won't be commenting in this thread or in the other GTX 480 threads simply because I believe these products have brought out the worst in everyone. Period.

If you have any questions pertaining to the review itself, I will answer them. I refuse to get involved in this childish bickering.


There are however a few things that should be stated:

A) The GTX 480 accomplished a ~15% increase over the HD 5870. Ok, great. But we have to remember it did this with 480 out of 512 shaders enabled and seriously gimped GDDR5 memory (which is actually rated to run at 4Ghz by the way).
The fact that they can't manufacture this chip with it's full compliment of working shaders should not be portrayed as a positive, nor should an inability to run memory at rated spec.

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B) Yes, it does run hot and take gobs of power. Don't act like that surprises you. It was known form the start.
It was speculated and argued over with most Nvidia centric people adamantly denying numerous rumours, all the while bad mounthing anyone who suggested any such thing, this goes against the direction that the majority of most semi conductor companies are working towards, efficiency, they are pushing the chip harder than feasible just to have a halo product, which painfully brings up the fact they have nothing worth haloing " The aura of majesty or glory surrounding a person or thing that is regarded with reverence, awe, or sentiment over ", ... not to mention availability, you can't even buy one yet, all in all it's poor execution.

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C) The 15% performance increase is based off of the combination of DX9 / DX10 AND DX11 games. If you single out DX11 performance at the resolutions most people play at (1680 and 1920) the GTX 480 simply eats the HD 5870 alive, especially when it comes to minimum framerates. Seriously, what fool buys a DX11 card and cares about DX9 performance when 99.99% of today's $200 GPUs don't have an issue in DX9 High Quality?
I don't deny there is great potential for this architecture once it's refined, i expect to see Nvida quickly release improved product, relegating this to a foot note in the grand scheme, feels like a rushed stop gap part to me, so the negatives outway the positives currently... IMO.

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D) If you have a HD 5870, you shouldn't upgrade to a GTX 480 unless you don't like money.
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E) The vast majority of other sites have proven that they don't have a clue how to properly benchmark DX11 some games. VERY specific config file changes have to be done in DiRT 2 and Battlefield: Bad Company 2 in order to use DX11 mode and not have drivers allow for DX9 mode rendering. I don't know why this is but the issues are everywhere and are quite glaring.
Something i will have to research more, i'll take your word for it.

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F) Getting burned by the top heatsink on a GTX 480 hurts like hell
I think a lot of people are going to get burned by Fermi as well.
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Old March 28, 2010, 02:46 PM
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great review! been gone all weekend and friday, was looking forward to seeing the review on this beast.
so just a thought, but it seems to me that when the board makers (EVGA, Asus, etc) get there hand on it, maybe they will make non-reference design heatsinks and such to kill that hot thing! and performance will go up when they release better drivers? from what i understand, nvidia's generic cards are usually not as good as other companies, right?
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...with the 470 I should be able to get away with not having to get a new PSU, I hope. HX620 going to be enough? I do have 6 drives but I just looked and on idle my ups reports that it is sending 187-195 watts, and that includes my monitor as well. So by thoughts I should still be in the clear if I moved the 8800GT out and brought the 470 in. Do you agree Sky?

Edit: Sky just wondering but I didn't notice it in the review, what was the fan speed set at during the power tests?

After that I looked at what it showed when I had Dragon age cranked up and it peaked at 275w. Now I know that this is not the most accurate measurement but it is the best I can do. I'm pretty sure I should be fine keeping the HX620, what are your thoughts Sky?
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Don't understand what you are saying. Sorry.


E) The vast majority of other sites have proven that they don't have a clue how to properly benchmark DX11 some games. VERY specific config file changes have to be done in DiRT 2 and Battlefield: Bad Company 2 in order to use DX11 mode and not have drivers allow for DX9 mode rendering. I don't know why this is but the issues are everywhere and are quite glaring.

F) Getting burned by the top heatsink on a GTX 480 hurts like hell[/quote]
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D) If you have a HD 5870, you shouldn't upgrade to a GTX 480 unless you don't like money.
Until there is some sort of price adjustments this is the feeling I get from reading various reviews. If you already have a 5850/5870 it isn't worth it to move to a 470/480. For the multi-GPU folks with deep pockets SLI'd GTX 480's seems to be quite the performer and probably the only case worth upgrading at this time.

I think the real problem is simply a lack of games to push (or keep up with) the hardware. My 4870 512mb is still perfectly fine for current games at 1920x1200. It used to be a year or less after I did an upgrade I would already find myself turning down graphics settings to play games, but with all this Console port business that doesn't seem to be the case anymore (with few exceptions like Crysis and Metro 2033)
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not sure what quality settings you use but 1920x1200 on a 4870 must be weak on the heavy ones
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I think a lot of people are going to get burned by Fermi as well.
You are so overwhelmingly negative... I have my doubts you are a more experienced reviewer than Sky

I don't see why people think that Fermi is a TOTAL FAIL. It isn't impressive, it isn't a totally obvious choice, but it is equal. If you want FPS, it's a perfectly fine choice. If you want efficiency and barebones game performance, go with an ATI card.

Nobody is saying you HAVE to buy an Nvidia card... and you shouldn't be saying that you HAVE to buy an ATI card.
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After that I looked at what it showed when I had Dragon age cranked up and it peaked at 275w. Now I know that this is not the most accurate measurement but it is the best I can do. I'm pretty sure I should be fine keeping the HX620, what are your thoughts Sky?
you also have to take into account psu efficiency. If you have 85% efficiency for example and your UPS shows 275W, your PSU is only using ~234W. I would imagine your monitor is 50-70W by itself.
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