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Old February 26, 2010, 09:22 PM
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So? DX11 is fine and all but it is not REALLY necessary.
Get an Xbox/PS3. Call it a day.
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the 5870 isn't going to be fast enough for a lot of DX11 features on a 30" monitor. The dual 280's is a much better deal. The ONLY thing the 5870 is better at is DX11 which basically the only new feature is tessellation.
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Old February 26, 2010, 09:36 PM
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I'd get the HD 5870 unless you want to try and save $50 in the short term and go for another used gtx 280 at $180. Over a year with the PC on all the time the 2 x gtx 280's would use another $50 of electricity at idle anyways.
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Old February 27, 2010, 01:55 AM
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the 5870 isn't going to be fast enough for a lot of DX11 features on a 30" monitor. The dual 280's is a much better deal. The ONLY thing the 5870 is better at is DX11 which basically the only new feature is tessellation.
Dude, Please see his system spec. You might want to look at it as a whole.


He only have 620W psu gtx 280 pulls at least 200W under load + that 9550 is likely overclocked so it will use at least 100W, 200+200+100 thats 500W right there, forget about that water cooled CPU + rams, HDDs. Even if he has 90% efficiency PSU he only have 558W disposable.

If gtx 280 SLI route is taken, he is probably gonna need a new PSU something that is rated at 750W or higher.

As for "the new shit" from nvidia, We still don't know HOW MUCH faster it will be compared to the old gtx 285, maybe a mere 40%! We won't know till march 26, And all we seen up till now were wooden screws. And when it does come out, most average consumer are gonna need to break the bank due to low supply and high demand. Just like how some of the PS3 were priced over $1k.

Anyways jumping from a gtx 280 to 5870 will give you somewhere around + 30% in performance, and lower power by a bit.
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Old February 27, 2010, 02:56 AM
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the 5870 isn't going to be fast enough for a lot of DX11 features on a 30" monitor. The dual 280's is a much better deal. The ONLY thing the 5870 is better at is DX11 which basically the only new feature is tessellation.
You contradict yourself. And your wrong to boot.

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Old February 27, 2010, 06:54 AM
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Scalings an Issue in SOme games... ATI Drivers are an issue for every game ... GG

ATI=Benching card.
Nvidia=Real life.

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I get 110 FPS Avg in BC2
My Buddies 5870 gets 80 FPS.

I know the 5870 is stronger of a card, Why is it bad at BC2... DRIVERS.
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Dude, Please see his system spec. You might want to look at it as a whole.


He only have 620W psu gtx 280 pulls at least 200W under load + that 9550 is likely overclocked so it will use at least 100W, 200+200+100 thats 500W right there, forget about that water cooled CPU + rams, HDDs. Even if he has 90% efficiency PSU he only have 558W disposable.

If gtx 280 SLI route is taken, he is probably gonna need a new PSU something that is rated at 750W or higher.

As for "the new shit" from nvidia, We still don't know HOW MUCH faster it will be compared to the old gtx 285, maybe a mere 40%! We won't know till march 26, And all we seen up till now were wooden screws. And when it does come out, most average consumer are gonna need to break the bank due to low supply and high demand. Just like how some of the PS3 were priced over $1k.

Anyways jumping from a gtx 280 to 5870 will give you somewhere around + 30% in performance, and lower power by a bit.
Wow, thanks. I am glad you did consider my system spec. and that is why I put it there in the first place!

To begin with I want to mention that I am looking to buy, in either case, a used card. GTX 280 SC runs about $180-$200 and a used 5870 about $300, if I am lucky, but I think for sure at $325 (or I can buy a new in box, after Bing CashBack for ONLY $360!!).

So if I go with the 5870 I'll be selling my 280 SC which would result in a balance of $100 - $150 - clsoe to having two 280s.

Here is another deal I have come across: 2 EVGA GTX 285 FTW for $500.00! (as if I was not confused enough.)

But if I am going to spend $500 I might as well go for the 5970 at about $600!!!!! Between the DUAL SLI 285s and 5970, the 5970 is the better choice, no?

But, you are right, with the 5870 I will NOT need to change my PSU but with the 280s or the 285s I would have to change my PSU!!

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He only have 620W psu gtx 280 pulls at least 200W under load + that 9550 is likely overclocked so it will use at least 100W, 200+200+100 thats 500W right there, forget about that water cooled CPU + rams, HDDs. Even if he has 90% efficiency PSU he only have 558W disposable.
A GTX280 uses about 180W under typical gaming load. And your understanding of efficiency is incorrect. A 620W PSU has 620W of power available. However, you're right that he would basically need a new PSU if he went with dual GTX280s.
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Scalings an Issue in SOme games... ATI Drivers are an issue for every game ... GG

ATI=Benching card.
Nvidia=Real life.

MHO...

I get 110 FPS Avg in BC2
My Buddies 5870 gets 80 FPS.

I know the 5870 is stronger of a card, Why is it bad at BC2... DRIVERS.
I've had more issues with nVidia drivers than I have with ATI drivers, and I've been using them both extensively for years. As for those performance differences, what are your full specs and your friend's specs? And are you running at the same resolution and settings? If he's running in DX11 mode, that would explain the performance differences since apparently there are known performance issues with that in the beta.
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But if I am going to spend $500 I might as well go for the 5970 at about $600!!!!! Between the DUAL SLI 285s and 5970, the 5970 is the better choice, no?
Yes, the 5970 would be the better choice.
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