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Old May 10, 2009, 12:24 PM
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Well, I've only ever bought Sapphire/ATi cards. Some people say they won't touch a Sapphire yet they manufacture cards for ATi and several others iirc. I haven't had any serious issues with the quality from Sapphire myself. But I have never really had any issues with any of the video cards I've purchased over the years. 3dfx, nvidia, ATi.

Why do people say they wont touch sapphire?
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I havea card here that artifacts on stock cooling, and cannot get an RMA.

I've RMAed almost every Sapphire card I have bought(around 25 now), adding an additional $20-$40 to the card's cost.

The VAPOR-X cooling is overrated. ythe cooler design is such that gpu heat is spread to the meemory, thus affecting memory clocks. The same cooler, minus the vapor-X stuff, is on teh standard 1GB cards, and it's quite common for my cards to run @ 100c++.

The cooler, which is non-reference, also exhausts the majority of the air the fan moves into the case, thus affecting system temps.

The XFX card has a standard cooler, that seems to do a better job, and the double-lifetime warranty is another added thing that has me singing XFX praises.
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xfx card is almost 100 dollars more then the sapphire. I cant really afford that , what about pny, gigabyte and the other brands, any suggestions there?
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NCIX.com - Buy XFX Radeon HD 4870 1GB DDR5 PCI-E Dual DVI-I HDCP HDTV Out Video Card - HD487AZDFC In Canada.

Just a few bucks more with WAY better warranty and plus it will be easier to sell because it has double lifetime warranty. Also XFX's warranty covers changing the heatsink on the GPU which none of the other manufactures do. IMO I would only go with XFX if it is in a reasonable price.

Or for a bit more you could go for ATI's top single card. NCIX.com - Buy Powercolor Radeon HD 4890 1GB 850MHZ 1GB 3.9GHZ GDDR5 PCI-E 2XDVI HDTV Video Card - AX4890 1GBD5-HM In Canada.

or Extreme PC (price match at NCIX)
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I think you missed what I said in the 1st post - The 4890 1 GB and 4870 2 GB are about the same price.

And like others said. The 2 GB is overkill for the vast majority of games, even 1 GB is in most circumstances. About a year from now 1 GB of VRAM will be standard like 512 is today, with 2 GB being what the higher end cards have. The 4870 won't be able to process fast enough to have 2 GB's of pixels sitting in the VRAM waiting to be used.

If I was you I'd either get the 4870 1 GB that will more then suffice for most games for the next year. With the money you saved you can buy the 5870 or GTX 360 in a year. Or, I'd get the ultra top of the line right now (sacrificing a future upgrade), like the GTX 285, 295, or 4870x2. Any of those cards should last you a while
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I think you missed what I said in the 1st post - The 4890 1 GB and 4870 2 GB are about the same price.

And like others said. The 2 GB is overkill for the vast majority of games, even 1 GB is in most circumstances. About a year from now 1 GB of VRAM will be standard like 512 is today, with 2 GB being what the higher end cards have. The 4870 won't be able to process fast enough to have 2 GB's of pixels sitting in the VRAM waiting to be used.

If I was you I'd either get the 4870 1 GB that will more then suffice for most games for the next year. With the money you saved you can buy the 5870 or GTX 360 in a year. Or, I'd get the ultra top of the line right now (sacrificing a future upgrade), like the GTX 285, 295, or 4870x2. Any of those cards should last you a while

I hear the 4890 is basically the 4870 overclocked?

I decided to get the 1gb. Thanks for the advice, i dont want to wait a year, ill use this 4870 for a while im sure. I also cant afford to spend 400-500 on the video card alone, as i also need a case.

Now i need to find a coolmaster haf 932 for less then 200 bucks.

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Oh one more question, i know nvidia has physx build into their cards, but what about ati, can the 4870 use physx now?
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Oh one more question, i know nvidia has physx build into their cards, but what about ati, can the 4870 use physx now?
Nope. As long as ATI doesn't want to work with nvidia ATI wont have physx.
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Nope. As long as ATI doesn't want to work with nvidia ATI wont have physx.
One hassle after another lol, As soon as i think ym choice is set i start reading about cuda, and physx and how ati has no physx support.

It seems like cuda and physx are more important then dx10.1 and sm4.1
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It seems like cuda and physx are more important then dx10.1 and sm4.1
Considering the marketing effort(and then the obvious other expenses behind that), in the end that may be true.


However, just last week there were some very significant changes in the upper management @ AMD, as now ATI/AMD are now one complete business, with seperate divisions, under one conglomerate head. We may also see a significant change in their focus and strategy, but as always when it comes to ATI, I'm hopeful for the best.
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