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Old February 18, 2009, 05:49 AM
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I paid my sapphire 4870 512 MB 240$, while the XFX one sells for about 300$, which is 60$, about a +/- 25% increase in price. But yeah, I would have prefered the XFX one but still, it's more expensive.
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Why are you guys so obsessed with the brand of your video card? As long as you install a proper aftermarket cooler on the 4870, regardless of brand it will pretty much overclock just as well as any other 4870.

If you want to get ripped off out of $60 because of the XFX name (which isn't even prestigious) go ahead, but there's just no point!

And who cares if a "double lifetime" warranty is offered? Enthusiasts switch video cards like underwear - you will only keep the card in your machine for a number of months. Maybe MAX 1 year...so who gives a damn how much warranty it's got?
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Again, I don't see a $60 difference...where are you getting that from?
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Old February 18, 2009, 08:12 AM
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Why are you guys so obsessed with the brand of your video card? As long as you install a proper aftermarket cooler on the 4870, regardless of brand it will pretty much overclock just as well as any other 4870.

If you want to get ripped off out of $60 because of the XFX name (which isn't even prestigious) go ahead, but there's just no point!

And who cares if a "double lifetime" warranty is offered? Enthusiasts switch video cards like underwear - you will only keep the card in your machine for a number of months. Maybe MAX 1 year...so who gives a damn how much warranty it's got?
Sure, your right, with a proper cooler the perfomance and oc's will be the same between most brands, but you would of just voided your warrenty. You realise that if you put an aftermarket heatsink cooler with most vendors you'll void your warrenty? Not with XFX.

Have you ever tried to RMA a card by most ATi vendors? Diamond? Impossible to contact. ASUS? Horrible comunication. Shappire? You'll be lucky to get the same card back. HIS? Be ready to ship stuff to ASIA, and I could go on and on.

XFX's support is above and beyond that of most ATi vendors, they allow you to change the heatsink without voiding your warrenty, easy to contact, based out of NA, and black PCB cards, and who doesn't like black coloured PCB cards?.
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You got it right on the money there Chilly. And sometimes we do keep our Hardware for longer than 6 months.
Although HIS was an easy turnaround when an x1950 went south, but you still have a point.
XFX is where it is at really right now.
Until I start hearing otherwise,

I'll put my name in the hat for them too.

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The differences between vendors is often more than just what stock cooling they have.

Sapphire (in the past... I can't speak for now) had a habit of cheaping out on VRM cct, (Two versions of 1950pro are a perfect example of this) which may have met the reference model set out by ATI, but in practice caused many issues for folks WRT overheating. Other vendors either beefed up their VRMs for the initial release, or at the very least, responded with revisions quickly when those problems were identified. Sapphire's solution was to suggest that folks buy 5 times the PSU they needed so that the output (because it was only running at 40% of rated specs) was ultra clean which removed any issues their cheap vrms were having.
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I would suggest the XFX 4870 too, but as of now xfx's 4870 is based on the reference cooler, and they do tend to get quite toastee.

Also due to the facts of lifetime warranty. You actually pay a premium to obtain that warranty. Just like driving a vehical

I wouldn't worry about the life time warranty if theres a $30 difference , but once again that just my opinions.

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I would suggest the XFX 4870 too, but as of now xfx's 4870 is based on the reference cooler, and they do tend to get quite toastee.

Also due to the facts of lifetime warranty. You actually pay a premium to obtain that warranty. Just like driving a vehical

I wouldn't worry about the life time warranty if theres a $30 difference , but once again that just my opinions.
Like many others before me have said and explained, there are other reasons to go XFX other than the lifetime warrenty(like you know, an easy to deal with warrenty) and the heatsink.

The premium is worth it IMO, if you've ever had to try and get service from the other ATi vendors, you'd agree with me.
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Like many others before me have said and explained, there are other reasons to go XFX other than the lifetime warrenty(like you know, an easy to deal with warrenty) and the heatsink.

The premium is worth it IMO, if you've ever had to try and get service from the other ATi vendors, you'd agree with me.

Would i be able to fit 2 XFX 4870's with a t-rad2 in Crossfire on a asus rampage? I could deal with a slightly toasty graphics card for a little bit if that's the only knock against it. When i get more money i can buy the t-rad2 which should bring temps down considerably. I am going ATI with this rig so i can put them in CF, if i can't fit 2 with the t-rads i'll have to look at other aftermarket coolers.

Again thanks a lot to everyone for your comments and insights.
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Why are you guys so obsessed with the brand of your video card?
You are absolutely right. It seems like some consumers in the industry are defending a double standard: lifetime warranty, and then replace the card in 15 months. Lifetime warranty can only be considered a boon for buyers with an obtusely long ownership or use of it-- in the range of six years or more.

Permission to remove your cooler assembly is a fractured logic because, for about the same amount of money, other partners may offer either superior cooling assemblies as standard equipment, or a redesign to promote more efficient dissipation of heat-- for example, Sapphire's 50%/50% exhaust split design prevents GPU heat near the fan from rolling forward onto the memory and VR modules, and arsy versy.

Fundamentally, this XFX hype is based purely on unsupported, prima facie speculation. We need a couple of more months to evaluate their propositions rather than conjecture its superiority in its infant weeks.
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