Go Back   Hardware Canucks > HARDWARE > Video Cards

    
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old January 18, 2009, 07:25 AM
Digikid's Avatar
Banned
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Ontario
Posts: 1,729
Default Nvidia or ATI....desicions desicions......

I cannot make up my mind what to get for my new I7 build. I would like a powerful enough video card but there are pros ands cons to each.

NVIDIA:
1.) PRICEY.
2.) Somewhat lacking in Technology ( GDDR3 ve GDDR5 )

ATI:
1.) Use more power
2.) Run very hot compared to Nvidia cards
3.) Noisier

Oh BTW those are the cons. Here are the Pros.

Nvidia:
1.) Better looking graphics IMHO
2.) Quieter ( Depending on the brand )
3.) SLI is better than Crossfire
4.) Better PhysX then HAVOK

ATI:
1.) Better Price/Performance Ratio
2.) RED ( I LOVE RED! )
3.) Better Linux Driver Support ( for my Linux Partition )

I will be gaming ( UT3, Quake Wars Trackmania, Battlefield Series, NO CRYSIS ) and general PC use.

I want it as quiet as possible and I cannot spend a lot of money for this card. Plan to get ONE card for now...then double up later in the year.

Thank You for your time.
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old January 18, 2009, 08:07 AM
Hall Of Fame
F@H
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Ottawa, ON
Posts: 1,226

My System Specs

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Digikid View Post
3.) Better Linux Driver Support ( for my Linux Partition )
Are you sure about better Linux support with ATI? I always heard the opposite way around. I know ATI opened up a little to the Linux community and (open source?) Radeon HD drivers are under development, but I always had the impression that as it is right now, nVidia drivers run better under Linux.
I just had an experience back in the ATI X_ _ _ vs. nVidia 6_ _ _ _ days, for gaming, nVidia cards produced almost the same FPS in Linux and Windows, while ATI cards produced much lower FPS. (my experience was Windows XP FPS divided by 2 or so, similar to Vista drivers in early 2006) I also remember many attempts at compiling drivers to get AIGLX (for Compiz) to work properly.
This was with UT2004 (native Windows XP vs native Linux, no wine), so I won't be able to give a straight comparison because my current Radeon 4850 would easily max UT2004, bad drivers or not.

Right now my laptop (8400M GS) is happily running Ubuntu 8.04 with the proprietary nVidia driver downloaded from the "Hardware Drivers" app. I can't test my 4850 because my HDD is currently dead
__________________
"The computer programmer says they should drive the car around the block and see if the tire fixes itself." [src]
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old January 18, 2009, 09:19 AM
Chilly's Avatar
Hall Of Fame
F@H
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Ontario
Posts: 2,593
Default

Before I go further, how much are you looking to spend on the GPU, this make a BIG difference in what we will suggest. Frankly you can't say "oh get nVidia" or "oh get ATi" because the end result will be the same with both brands in *MOST* cases. Only after sales support, performance per dollar, and warranties really matter now a days.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Digikid View Post
Nvidia:
1.) Better looking graphics IMHO
Nice one covering yourself with the IMHO, because I hate to break it to you, in a double blind test, you'll NEVER be able to tell the difference. The image quality in most cases has been exactly the same between both brands for years now.

This isn't like comparing Pepsi to Coke-Cola, its like comparing Canadian Coke/Pepsi, to Mexican Coke/Pepsi, sure the ingredients used to make them might be slightly different but the resulting flavour will be the same.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Digikid View Post
4.) Better PhysX then HAVOK
Perhaps, but how many games can you list that currently use PhysX hardware acceleration? I can count it on one hand, most other games that currently use PhysX run the same regardless of weither its done on the CPU or GPU.

As for Linux, ATi's drivers have really improved in that field the last few years, very few issues with them now a days. I can't say which is better in Linux as I have not really done any intensive testing, suffice it to say I've never had any issues in recent times with either nVidia or ATi drivers in Linux.
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old January 18, 2009, 09:44 AM
Jake_HT's Avatar
Hall Of Fame
F@H
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Calgary, AB
Posts: 1,985

My System Specs

Default

I always thought crossfire offered better results than SLI?

I won't be much help here... but I'd probably choose nvidia been using them for a few years now and like most people, why change when it's been good to you. Plus, I really like EVGA.
__________________
http://jakeht.deviantart.com/
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old January 18, 2009, 09:54 AM
Hall Of Fame
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Canada
Posts: 1,221

My System Specs

Default

...you forgot to mention how NVIDIA releases driver updates on a more frequent basis than ATI. :)
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old January 18, 2009, 10:13 AM
3.0charlie's Avatar
3.0 "I kill SR2's" Charlie
F@H
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Laval, QC
Posts: 9,643

My System Specs

Default

Which board do you have / plan to have? Since not all X58 boards are SLI / Crossfire capable.
__________________
Hydro-Quebec is salivating...
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old January 18, 2009, 10:58 AM
Digikid's Avatar
Banned
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Ontario
Posts: 1,729
Default

My bad. I forgot to mention those.

Monitor ( Currently ): Samsung 2243wm 1680 x 1050
Monitor ( wanting to get ) Acer 21.5 H series 1900 x 1080p

Motherboard is a EVGA X58.

I know that not a lot of games support PhysX but the one that I play the most, UT3, DOES support it. Plus I want to be ready if more good games that I buy do support it or not. Chilly believe it or not I CAN tell the difference. The nvidia card in UT3 has better specular and color balance....it COULD be my glasses yes but that is not the point really.
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old January 18, 2009, 11:14 AM
Rookie
F@H
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Quebec City, Quebec
Posts: 25

My System Specs

Default

Well my experience with the new ati drivers for linux is that their good but in terms in performance in linux Nvidia ( kinda like +25 % in perfs on linux ) is well ahead for the others points ati or nvidia wouldn't really matter i think...

was my 2 cents..
__________________
- Uber Rig -
Core2Quad Q6600@3.6 Ghz Asus P5Q Pro
Gigabyte Radeon R9 290 (1250/1175), 8 Gig DDR2-1000 G.SKILL, 4 Tb Seagate 7200.11
Antec 300, Corsair TX-550 Psu
- WTF Laptop -
Macbook Pro i5, 4 Gb DDR3, 320 Gb Hdd
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old January 18, 2009, 11:17 AM
Digikid's Avatar
Banned
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Ontario
Posts: 1,729
Default

okay then so far the marble is leaning towards the Nvidia.

ANY feedback is appreciated guys.
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old January 18, 2009, 11:46 AM
Chilly's Avatar
Hall Of Fame
F@H
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Ontario
Posts: 2,593
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Digikid View Post
I know that not a lot of games support PhysX but the one that I play the most, UT3, DOES support it.
Ahh, UT3, a game I know a lot about and play myself. The key word is that it SUPPORTS it, but except for a few tech demo levels, it doesn't implement(use) it. Except for a few user made levels(pretty much none), the game does not use it(PhysX) beyond the level where hardware rendering is a requirement.

That being said, its not to say that nVidia's support of CUDA, and its various apps(such as PhysX) doesn't have its advanatges. I would definity list CUDA in general, as a PRO aganst ATi, but I don't belive at this point and time that PhysX in its self is Pro or Con aganst ATi.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Digikid View Post
Plus I want to be ready if more good games that I buy do support it or not. Chilly believe it or not I CAN tell the difference. The nvidia card in UT3 has better specular and color balance....it COULD be my glasses yes but that is not the point really.
I'm sorry, but your going to lose here. Since the X1xxx/6xxx days both vendors have pretty much had the exact same render/image quality(with a few execptions). In a double blind test, you, nor anyone else in this WORLD would be able to tell the diffrence in image quality alone between a GTX 260/280 and a 4850/4870 when set to the same settings.

I'm not going to argue this fact any further, but if your in the GTA area I will allow you to come down and see for your self using my systems. If not, I can look up proof and resources once I'm back from the bar. Take me at my word, there will be no diffrence.

Also, you still haven't given us your budget, I won't be able to give a solid recommendation without it. Hope that helped
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
More nvidia woes? Jonwall Rumor Mill 36 February 15, 2009 08:07 AM
Switching from nvidia to ATI Squeetard Video Cards 9 July 29, 2008 08:20 AM
ATI vs Nvidia Computergeek Video Cards 20 July 4, 2008 11:34 AM
Nvidia or ATI Witwikki Video Cards 11 February 6, 2008 05:38 PM
ati vs Nvidia Rapid-X Video Cards 14 January 26, 2008 10:22 AM