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Old December 27, 2008, 12:34 AM
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It doesn't look like nVidia is going to get great clocking from the 55nm shrink as they have kept the same range of gpu speeds for the retail models (we'll see from your review).
I really want to see SKYMTL's review for that EVGA. From Fudzilla (yeah, I know) looks very promising.
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Old December 27, 2008, 06:26 AM
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Clock frequencies for the EVGA card are the EXACT same as those on the Core 216 Superclocked model I tested a while back. As for it beating the GTX 280....bullshit.
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Old December 27, 2008, 08:53 AM
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I'm so close to buying a EVGA 260 216 FTW edition but really I'm a bit confounded by the naming scheme. Should I wait for this new 55nm or just buy the FTW edition now seeing the price is around $340. For that matter do I even need to spend the extra $20 on the FTW edition or will the +/sc edition be the same with a good over clock? Crike I think they come up with these long winded names just to confuse the consumer into buying older models no longer produced just to make room on the shelves. There's really no games on the horizon I need a better card than the 4850 I own presently but with EVGAs step up program if I buy one now maybe if I time it right I can step-up to this 55nm by the time it hits the streets. Any thoughts?
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Old December 27, 2008, 09:44 AM
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I can't see much justification for buying anything over the BFG GeForce GTX 260 OC Maxcore 590MHZ at NCIX currently at $225 (sort of) = $250 (AR) which includes a $25 gift card. My 260 Maxcore came with FarCry 2 and FutureMark Vantage Advanced as a bonus but that is/was not listed and runs at 671/2408. BFG has step-up too btw.
Seems like the FTW should get a higher overclk to ~ 720 (stock 670) but that's quite a premium $ for maybe a bit more speed. 2c
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Old December 27, 2008, 10:22 AM
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216 Core Shaders vs 192 Core Shaders

Thats pretty much it, as for the OC'd versions, each Card has been tested to that particular level of Clock / Memory speeds, therefore they are "guarenteed" to run at that particular speed and as the product version increases with Clock / Memory speeds (and cost) so does the chances of the Card OC'ing to higher speeds (no guarentees on the OC's, but as you spend more you increase your odds).
I personally have owned a GTX 260 (192 Core) FTW Edition and now 2 x GTX 280 SSC Editions and both OC very well...not much effort getting all 3 Cards to 720 / 1475 / 1260 (2520). Now, with that said some folks have had the same luck with OC'ing these Cards to these speeds and some folks have not. Some folks have had luck OC'ing to these speeds with Vanilla Cards and some have not had any luck with OC'ing at all.
My philosophy, if you can afford it (the extra $30 - $60 general difference in Editions) and you don't want to be dissapointed with the OC...then go for it! In all cases with myself, the 260 FTW and the 280 SSC's were on sale.....I likely would have gone with the 280 FTW's if they had been available but they weren't and in hind sight, my SSC's OC'd perfectly!
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I can't see much justification for buying anything over the BFG GeForce GTX 260 OC Maxcore 590MHZ at NCIX currently at $225 (sort of) = $250 (AR) which includes a $25 gift card.
That statement is very much irrelevant to what Always was asking.....not everyone will "settle" for a particular Card, there are always going to be folks that want more speed. Along with that statement you could say that you don't see any need for Core I7, GTX280's, 4870x2's etc etc etc...
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I'm so close to buying a EVGA 260 216 FTW edition but really I'm a bit confounded by the naming scheme. Should I wait for this new 55nm or just buy the FTW edition now seeing the price is around $340.
Thats a great choice and a great price.....you won't be dissappointed.....as for the new 55nm....imo....just another product to further "confuse" the masses
Folks have been claiming that the 55nm will yield lower Temps, therefore yield higher OC's, however, my experience with the 65nm Cards has shown me that the Cards ability to OC is not hindered by Temps, but simple instability at higher OC's, even at normal operating Temps. I find my present OC's are fine and really don't have the desire to go higher. Personally I wouldn't get to "hot n horny" for the new 55nm Cards, if you can find a decent price on the 260 Core 216 FTW...go for it....keep in mind that the new GTX3xx Series will likely make their debut sometime in Spring 09, they will definitely be Cards worth looking at for potential upgrade!
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Old December 27, 2008, 01:32 PM
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Thanks MonsterSound for the tip and rj for the great explanation. Hope I didn't hijack the thread there. (and continue to do again)

So regarding the new 55nm 260's whats the big benefit other than lowering stock operating heat. I understand the concept of lower heat often equates into higher clocks but truthfully my last 2 cards heat was not an issue whatsoever but for some reason the VPU just couldn't take da strain Ciptin! (bad Scotty impression there) I used to be of the school of thought that why buy a factory OC'd card when the plain jane vanilla could be pushed with a little friendly nudging. But I've found that sometimes you just don't get the golden chip and maybe paying more for a factory OC'd one where they have weeded through the chaff for you wouldn't be such a bad idea.

Ahh jeez I just dunno heh. MonsterSound that 65nm BFG for basically $225 seems like a great deal but I suspect now that the 55nm are forthcoming then this sale may just be the start of the old 65nm 260s getting the heave ho. Strange as you say they're not going to rename the new 55nm. If they did OMG my Rig specs in my sig would be to long for my liking. (EVGA E-Geforce 260 Core216 55nm BOOYA HEADSHOT FTW Extra Special Edition) Yuck

And I agree the color and design on that one SKYMTL received from EVGA looks horrible. What is that a picture of anyways? Sort of looks like a Pinball plunger all cocked back and ready to send the fan intake for a ride. And I noticed the darned power connections are on the top of the card and not where I like them at the back. I dunno I just like shorter distances to my wires and it looks cleaner than having wires exposed at the top of the card, draping down, and having an ugly bend visible.
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You won't be disappointed with that 260 (216 Core) FTW....regardless of 55nm technology!
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Boy does nVidia love confusing the masses, what would of been so hard calling this the 270(55nm), and the 216 shader one the 265?
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Boy does nVidia love confusing the masses, what would of been so hard calling this the 270(55nm), and the 216 shader one the 265?
I agree wholeheartedly and the numbers you mention make a lot of sense to me. I suspect nVidia thinks (or perhaps knows) that keeping the same model number helps them move old stock, but I don't like it.

As far as purchasing the higher clocked more expensive 260 versions goes, I definitely understand why someone would pay the premium (despite what I posted earlier).
If it's within your budget and you want to be sure you get those higher numbers, it makes sense and it varies from person to person.
The 671 overclock I am getting is not guaranteed with the cheaper Maxcore, only 590mhz is. If it only clocks to 590, you couldn't blame BFG, but one might blame me for encouraging the cheaper card (but please don't).
I should probably have stated that for my budget, the cheaper card was the right choice as the cherry-picked higher clocked gpu versions carried a cost premium that was too high.

p.s. don't worry about the thread, I'm enjoying other enthusiasts knowledge and perspectives.
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Review delayed. There were some issues (namely high power consumption figures) that really didn't make much sense. Both EVGA and Nvidia are looking into it.
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