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Old September 12, 2008, 09:52 PM
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I've been reading a TON of information from a TON of different foreums re: the Subject. Well, I did make the leap and ditched my 8800 GTX for a GTX 260 (sorry ATI Fan Boys, I'm an Nvidia Fan Boy), anyhow, the results:
Along with running aprox. 10 degrees celcius cooler (another reason I went this rout vs ATI), the following:
1. 8800 GTX under load = 79 celcius = 13.2K 3D Mark 06
2. 260 GTX under load (and OC'd to 714 Core, 1505 Shader & 2.3 Mem)= 68 celcius under load = 17.2 3D Mark 06.

Hopefully this info will help calrify. Some were questioning "do I purchase GTX 260 instrad of 8800GTX SLI?", question is, how much heat can you handle? I personally stayed away from 8800GTX in SLI due to the heat, but I'm confident that the GTX 260 will be just fine in SLI.

As for you ATI folks, good luck with that!

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Also I would think that the 8800GTX SLI would cost around the same and use more power than the 260GTX.
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Old September 23, 2008, 09:02 AM
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And it'd be faster and cheaper.

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I've been reading a TON of information from a TON of different foreums re: the Subject. Well, I did make the leap and ditched my 8800 GTX for a GTX 260 (sorry ATI Fan Boys, I'm an Nvidia Fan Boy), anyhow, the results:
Along with running aprox. 10 degrees celcius cooler (another reason I went this rout vs ATI), the following:
1. 8800 GTX under load = 79 celcius = 13.2K 3D Mark 06
2. 260 GTX under load (and OC'd to 714 Core, 1505 Shader & 2.3 Mem)= 68 celcius under load = 17.2 3D Mark 06.

Hopefully this info will help calrify. Some were questioning "do I purchase GTX 260 instrad of 8800GTX SLI?", question is, how much heat can you handle? I personally stayed away from 8800GTX in SLI due to the heat, but I'm confident that the GTX 260 will be just fine in SLI.

As for you ATI folks, good luck with that!

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Did you manually adjust the fan to get that temp? My XFX GTX260 XXX fan would sit at 40% right up into the high 79C range. When I manually adjusted the fan to a straight 60% it dropped down to about 62C.

I am still trying to figure out how to change that in BIOS. Using NiBiTor the box labeled "Fan Spped IC" seems to be greyed out. Other card BIOS allow entry into that part of the BIOS to set the lowest fan speed to something >40%.
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Old September 23, 2008, 02:03 PM
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No idea how to set in BIOS. Personally I don't bother with Fan Speeds in BIOS, even with my E8400 OC'd. I monitor my Temps when testing my OC's and if they're acceptable, no worries.
As for the GTX260, I used to use Riva Tuner to set up Fan Speed OC Profiles, but founf it to be somewhat cumbersome and a "learning" experience if I hadn't touched Riva in a awhile.
Since installing the new GTX 260 FTW, I now use Precision, set my OC and manually set my Fan Speed.....very simple!
With my GPU OC'd to 710 / 1500 . 2.4 Ghz and Fan Speed set manually at 75%, I find everything stays cool (never exceeds 62 celcius under heavy load ((Crysis)) ) idles at 34 - 37 celcius and the Fan Noise is barely audible over my Case Fans.
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Hmm well currently the GTX 260 is a very good buy although you made a mistake not to get the GTX 260+. It is the same price. Anyways I have a MAX temp of 68C and idle at 31c with my CF setup. I run the fan at a constant 40%. It is a bit nosier then my case fans though but it is a noise that doesn't bother me especially when I play with head phones. I could always lower the fan speed and have a higher temp and quierter.
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you made a mistake not to get the GTX 260+.
Ha ha ha...story of my life when purchasing PC Harware. Although, I do have the FTW Edition and whether the 216 Core SC is much faster / better, likely negligible. As for price, yes, I paid $380 total. The 216 Core SC Edition is $360 total....so $20, I can live with that. However, this 260FTW rocks my friend and I'll be happy with it until (next month) when I "step-up" to the new GTX 280 55nm GDDR5 GPU, wonder if it will still be 1 Gig, rumour I saw on an Australian Web Site was 1.5 - 2 Gigs.
As for ATI, think I mentioned it earlier.."Good luck with that" !
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Hmm well currently the GTX 260 is a very good buy although you made a mistake not to get the GTX 260+. It is the same price. Anyways I have a MAX temp of 68C and idle at 31c with my CF setup. I run the fan at a constant 40%. It is a bit nosier then my case fans though but it is a noise that doesn't bother me especially when I play with head phones. I could always lower the fan speed and have a higher temp and quierter.
I found out last night that the version of NiBiTor that I was using was 4.2. When I updated to version 4.5 the greyed out Fan box was active. I went ahead and just changed the minimum fan speed to 60% from 40%. I couldn't notice a difference in acoustic levels (but then again I have 5 X 120mm @60% speed and an 80mm on low so I don't really hear the GTX fan unless it hits about 70-80%. Leaving it at 40% was not an option since it would kill my overclock with temps reaching 80C.

Right now my XFX GTX260 XXX is sitting comfortably at 756 core, 1512 shaders, and 2500 memory. I folded overnight and it was 61C when I got up which is very reasonable.

One odd thing. My XXX edition has the "extra" core voltage set to just 1.06V. Every other GTX260 BIOS I have seen posted has 1.12V and many have modded them to 1.18V. So that is one reason I may be running cooler. I suppose I could raise the core voltage but that would mean more heat and I am quite happy with my current OC.
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Dadi_oh, Its possible that XFX has selected the very best cores for their XXX cards so they need less voltage even for more dramatic oc's. Or simply current yields of cores are much better and need less volts.

Alternatively the card maybe down-volting to conserve power-who knows? Interesting anyway and a very nice card you have there.

As for my 4870 temps they idle in the low 40's late 30's with 40% fan and and dont go above 60oc load even at 790 or 820. I have an antec spotfan blowing air between the 4870 cards and a 120mm fan at the bottom of the case blowing air up into the bottom card. The cards work very well in crossfire, very smoothMoving to watercooling them as my next project (not that I really need to).

As for Nvidia vs ATI, just remember that ATI's 4870's shaved a couple of hundred off the prices of the 2 series so its nice ot have them around as solid competitors. Plus Nvidia has a habit of releasing endless revisions with marginal improvements over the last revision which is a great way to make you feel like you should have waited that extra month. Plus what is it with all the oc versions?
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Dadi_oh, Its possible that XFX has selected the very best cores for their XXX cards so they need less voltage even for more dramatic oc's. Or simply current yields of cores are much better and need less volts.

Alternatively the card maybe down-volting to conserve power-who knows? Interesting anyway and a very nice card you have there.

As for my 4870 temps they idle in the low 40's late 30's with 40% fan and and dont go above 60oc load even at 790 or 820. I have an antec spotfan blowing air between the 4870 cards and a 120mm fan at the bottom of the case blowing air up into the bottom card. The cards work very well in crossfire, very smoothMoving to watercooling them as my next project (not that I really need to).

As for Nvidia vs ATI, just remember that ATI's 4870's shaved a couple of hundred off the prices of the 2 series so its nice ot have them around as solid competitors. Plus Nvidia has a habit of releasing endless revisions with marginal improvements over the last revision which is a great way to make you feel like you should have waited that extra month. Plus what is it with all the oc versions?
Sounds like a good setup you have there. I honestly don't know if XFX (or any other company) actually tests and bins their chips for OC editions. Personally if I was buying new I would just get the lowest price vanilla edition but it happens that I picked up this XXX edition 1 month old from someone on another forum for $250US shipped. And he hadn't registered it so the XFX double lifetime warranty starts with me making it a good selling feature for me to the next owner... they get a lifetime warranty too. And I confirmed with XFX that they cover my warranty even if I pull off the original sink and add my waterblock. How cool is that? (pun intended).

As far as ATI vs NVidia goes... I have jumped from one wagon to the other over the years and I don't feel any particular loyalty to one or the other. My last ATI product was an X1950 Pro that overclocked like crap which kinda disappointed me. Every Nvidia card I have had since then has overclocked really well. 7900GT up to 7900GTX speeds with a simple voltmod, 9600GT up to 800 on the core although I chose to dial it back to 740 when I put it back to air cooling, 8800GT up to 740 core... And now the GTX260 that I have OC by 31% / 22% / 25% (core/shader/mem). I just have a sense that the NVidia cards OC better and that is what I enjoy doing. Note that this is not definitive since I haven't owned the 38xx or 48xx series yet but just from reading OC results on the net.

To be honest the GTX 260 is overkill for my gaming needs. I tend to be trailing edge on games since I wait until they are <$30 before I buy them. I game at 1680X1050 so, other than Crysis, I could pretty much max out COD4, BF2, UT3 with no problems on my 8800GT. The primary work that the GTX 260 is doing is folding.

Good luck with the watercooling. I have not yet decided if I am going to WC the GTX260. I have the Maze4 GPU block just hanging in my case right now waiting to put it on but I may just stay on air for a bit to establish reliability of the card beofre tackling this heatsink cover. Apparently they are a major PITA to get off.
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