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Old June 14, 2007, 06:43 AM
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Mobo: evga nforce 650.

CPU: if oc'ed, E6320. If not E6420.

Ram: OCZ Gold 2x1gb 5-5-5-15 @ ~90$. Ditch the 2x2gb, unless you're planning on doing some heavy video editing in the near future. And if you do buy 1x 2gb, you can say goodbye to Dual Channel (not DDR2, Barb) and watch the drop in performance.

VC: evga 8800GTS 320mb, or the 640mb if it is still on special for 40$ more. Best bang for the buck.

HDD: the 'cuda is a great drive. Fast, silent. Good choice.

DVD burner: bought 3 of those in the past 4 weeks - all are working great.

FDD: ditch that. Replace with flash memory.

Monitor: why stick with 4:3? LG and Samsung have great 19 inchers in 16:9 ratio, for a similar price. Heck, I bought a HP 19" 16:9 on sale last week for 239$.

Case: Antec Sonata III, with the 500W PSU, so you can ditch the Coolermaster PSU.

PSU: see above.

Speakers: buy the system that sounds the best to your ear.

OS: like all others have written, do not go to 64bit yet. It ain't worth it.

Total: ~ 1500$ (actually, with the prices that I have in mind it's 1496$).


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Old June 14, 2007, 08:42 AM
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say goodbye to Dual Channel (not DDR2, Barb)
oops- brain fart
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Old June 14, 2007, 09:22 AM
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And if you do buy 1x 2gb, you can say goodbye to Dual Channel
Can't I still do dual channel after buying another same 1x2GB ram two years later?

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Monitor: why stick with 4:3?
Never been a fan of widescreen... It's just my preference :)

And about 8800s graphic card, don't I need more than 500w psu to run them steadly? Newegg.com product description says minimum required psu for 8800s is 425w... 500w seems little fragile for 8800s. Therefore if I need to by 600w+ psu, it means I need to pay more since decent 600w psu costs more than 100 bucks...

So far I've got one recommending Asus mobo and another recommending evga... Gav's reason for picking Asus was good reliability track record, perhaps 3.0charlie could give your reason as well? Thanks for the other advices, I will seriously consider Sonata III.
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Old June 14, 2007, 09:34 AM
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You still can do Dual channel with 2x 2Gb, no problem. But until you buy that second stick, you'll see a drop in performance.

Monitors, cases and speakers are subjective choices. Choose whatever suits your preference.

Antec's PSUs are all high quality. 500W maybe enough, if there are enough amps on the 12V rail. It also depends on how many components you need to power (ie. HDDs, burners, fans, etc.). Read more on the PSU subject and SKYMTL's reviews of PSUs. If you wish to have more power, then choose a case w/out a PSU and buy a 600W. Should be plenty. Last rig I built used an OCZ 600W GameXtreem for an E6320 oc'ed with 2 HDDs, 2 burners and w/c pump - no problems what-so-ever.

I have bought 3 eVga mobos (2 680i + 1 650i) lately and had no problems. All booted on the first try - all I had to do was flash the latest BIOS and that was it.

I know that Gigabyte has some great mobos too, but I don't know them.

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Old June 14, 2007, 09:42 AM
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Thanks John for a quick reply.

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I found out that Antec Sonata III has earthwatts 500w psu, which only supports 17A on each 12V rail. This is not enough for 8800s graphic card, which needs 26A on 12V rail...
Oops it seems that 8800s need combined 26A on two 12V rail, my mistake. I guess earthwatts can take this card enough... I think.

Concern about buying separate case and 600w psu is the price. I think it will cost at least $150.00 CAD or so, along with 350ish 8800s card, this may be too much for my budget.

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Old June 14, 2007, 10:34 AM
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Added new things to compare between 64bit/4GB/8600 system and 32bit/2GB/8800 system.

Changed mobo to Evga. According to Gav and John, both evga and asus has a good reliability background for 650i, but evga is a bit cheaper...

Is Asus case a way to go if I stick with Nmedia psu?
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Old June 14, 2007, 10:54 AM
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Yup, twice 17A on the 12V rails. Like I said, it all depends on how many peripherals you have. But it should be plenty.

As for the vga card, if you don't want to upgrade in the next 4 years (an ethernity in the world of computers!), you should consider the 8800 series. It will last longer than the 8600 series; the 8600 doesn't even come close to the 8800, even the 320mb one.

Cases are personal; if you wish to buy the case and PSU seperately, it's about ~40$ for a nice case and ~110$ for the PSU (OCZ 600W). I don't know about the Asus case, nor the Nmedia PSU.
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Old June 14, 2007, 11:00 AM
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I just verified your initial post; you can save more on 2 items:

change the RAM to the 2x1Gb Gold series 5-5-5-12: this one @ 79$ http://www.ncix.com/products/index.p...y&promoid=1051

change the vga to this one @ 299$: http://www.ncix.com/products/index.p...A&promoid=1051

Overclocking a card is free, when done manually. Why pay for it?

I think you're onto something.
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Old June 14, 2007, 11:21 AM
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Few comments:

1) Stick with 2GB mem instead of 4 and go w/ 32bit OS, apply the extra $ to GPU.

2) I would also get a better PSU i.e. Mushkin XP-650 650W ATX 12V 24PIN ATX Power Supply W/ PFC 80MM Fan is about the best deal out there atm (see SKYMTL's review).

3) That Mushkin EM2 you listed is also cheaper now, $119. If you get lucky there might be D9GMH in there.

4) For a MB, you might want to consider P35 chipset, i.e. ASUS P5K ATX LGA775 P35 DDR2 2PCI-E16 3PCI 1PCI-E1 SATA2 Sound GBLAN 1394 Motherboard
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Old June 14, 2007, 12:00 PM
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I should have mention that I am willing to buy these products from Direct Canada. Edited the first article for this reason along with the timing of purchase.

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change the RAM to the 2x1Gb Gold series 5-5-5-12: this one @ 79$ http://www.ncix.com/products/index.p...y&promoid=1051
This ram is on sales week from NCIX. It does not last until end of the year.

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change the vga to this one @ 299$: http://www.ncix.com/products/index.p...A&promoid=1051
Sadly this vga is not available at Direct Canada :( Plus 299 is after 20.00 rebate. 338 one that I listed is with 30.00 rebate as well.

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For a MB, you might want to consider P35 chipset, i.e. ASUS P5K ATX LGA775 P35 DDR2 2PCI-E16 3PCI 1PCI-E1 SATA2 Sound GBLAN 1394 Motherboard
This mobo has 2 pci-e16 yet no sli mode support, and more expensive than same Asus, P5N-E mobo. Why is it still better than P5N-E?

That Mushkin 650w psu sounds awesome, but I think it will go over the budget... Added into wishlist for possible price drop.

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