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Old March 13, 2010, 10:36 AM
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This week, NCIX got the Corsair Storage Solutions Nova Series 64GB Indilinx 2.5IN SATA2 Solid State Disk Flash Drive SSD

For $179.99 on the sales page.
It's a newer drive from Corsair, using well known Indilinx controller. I seen that you reviewed the P64 drives last summer (was a Samsung -based SSD As far as I remember).

So, this being an Indilinx variant, things look good. BUT, there is barely ANY info on this particular drive, just the ads from when Corsair started to advertise the drive last month.

Would you recommend these just like you would the Falcon, Torx and Vertex's???

I might get two and RAID 0 them, that wouldn't be more expensive than a 128GB and I could reap some benefits from extra performance.

They are supposedly supporting TRIM from the get go, but in RAID I would have to rely on some sort of garbage collection.
My mobo is ASUS P5Q PRO with INTEL ICH10R.
How could I make sure that this array would be "cleaned" or kept in the best shape/top performance?
If it's impossible or a PITA, I'll abandon the RAID route right away.
Plz help!
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Old March 13, 2010, 11:12 AM
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It looks very good i just can't find the right specs ncix says 215 read well corsair says 270 read. that and i would want to make sure it supports wiper. i think it's an barefoot but i am not sure good find i think.
running raid0 on dirty falcons made no difference compared to my s592 with the new firmware.
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Old March 13, 2010, 11:24 AM
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Yes the 270 read is a "little" on the enthusiastic side....215 is more what it actually is.
But yes, like you figured out, there is a severe lack of info! I mentioned YellowBeard (Corsair Rep), that they should make that drive more "visible" on the review sites...cause a good sales price is great, but without info and reviews, it's hard to make your mind!
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I was intriqued about the V64 when the price went down. I'm not particularly impressed with Corsair's advertised speeds, though. Imho, that is false advertising. Surely, these guys can properly test their own products and do enough trials to accurately reflect avg speed results?

Check the Corsair forum out, maybe? I would be interested in the reply from the Corsair ppl and how they explain the 270mb/s v.s. 215mb/s discrepancy. Seems to me like a big gap.

Nova 64gb Benchmark slower than spec'd - The Corsair Support Forums

I think maybe being wrong about, say, 20mb/s would be slightly more acceptable but it's way more than that?

I still lean towards the Intel and maybe Vertex but if the Vertex is EOL, I'll consider the Intel. I ultimately want two SSDs for two different operating systems so it wouldn't be so bad if one was slightly slower than the other but I thought an Intel G2 X25-M and a SSD with a Sandforce controller wouldn't be too bad. :)

I wonder what the Corsair admins will say, though!
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Old March 13, 2010, 12:28 PM
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Extremely early Sneak Peak:

It has the same new "eco" version of the Indi Barefoot controller as the G. Skill Falcon 2....and has the exact same Intel chips in it.
I expect it to perform EXACTLY like the Falcon 2. At $179 its a decent deal. BUT I dont expect it to perform like a Corsair X, OCZ Vertex, Patriot Torqx or GSkill Falcon 1. I expect it to be a very good mid tier SSD.

Any more and I can not say right now as I haven't gotten around to benching the 128GB'er (its pretty far down in my pile of items to review)....but I did just pull it apart to confirm the NAND and controller in it.

Barring unforeseen goodness Id use Falcon 2 results as a rough and ready guide to how it will perform. BUT I do NOT know for sure. Like I said its on my list...but a wee bit down it right now. :)

IF it has the latest Indi' firmware it will have Trim AND ITGC built in. No idea right now one way or the other.

I am not a fond lover of RAID'ing SSDs. I recommend getting the biggest, fastest one you can afford NOW and get another one later IF you need more space. RAID is not a magic wand and it will not double your performance. May not even give a noticeable increase! After all will you notice .75 of a second vs 1.25?

Hope that helps.
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Extremely interesting and to the point!!!
Sure that helps!

Ok, no sense going crazy about RAID then. I'll stick with your recommendations (120gb/128GB). Funny thing is, as you're mentioning that the Corsair's V64 series is "probably" using the new "eco" controller, the Falcons II 64GB are selling at the exact same price this week on sale...coincidence?

Thanks a million!

BTW, even if I seen that the Vertex 120GB is EOL, I checked on OCZ's EOL list and it's NOT there. So it's probably not EOL yet.
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Old March 14, 2010, 09:15 PM
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AKG,
You're the man...
EXACTLY like you said, I found info on the CORSAIR "NOVA-series" V128GB on a japanese site. I used google translate and this is what I got....


You were bang-on on the controller/memory-type etc....

As it's EXACTLY the same stuff as when you reviewed the Gskill FALCON II 128gb, how can we explain the REALLY optimistic "Maximum write: 195MB / s"??? There is NO way it will ever reach that!
Anyway, in the Crystalmark benchie, the V128 seems to be a little faster than the Falcon II, but the benchmark was run on Win XP...is it possible that Corsair's FW is more optimized, or just regular benchmarks discrepancies caused by different components/test systems?

CSSD-V128GB2-BRKT Product Details


Model
CSSD-V128GB2-BRKT

Capacity

128GB

IC Controller
INDILINX IDX110M01-LC

Standard Flash
Intel MLC NAND
DRAM cache
64MB
64MB
データ転送速度
Data transfer rate
Maximum load: 215MB / s
Maximum write: 195MB / s

TRIM Command
対応
動作電圧
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5V5%
5V 5%
動作環境温度
Operating TemperatureWarranty
2年間
2 years
付属品
Accessories

2.5 → 3.5 inches adapterAccessories Main

CSSD-V128GB2-BRKT ベンチマーク
CSSD-V128GB2-BRKT benchmark


検証環境 CPU Intel PentiumD 830 マザーボード GIGABYTE GA-965G-DS4 メモリー DDR2-8
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Old March 15, 2010, 04:44 AM
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It could be firmware. It could be slight variances in the NAND. It could even be that I use a ICH9 and they might have used a ICH10. A lot of variables could account for the dif. Ill know more when I test it. ;)

As for the max read and write speeds. IMHO these numbers are useless for ALL solid state drives. You are not using them as a storage only device so sequential speed is neither here nor there. All SSDs are FAST at seq!

The best synthetic tests are IOM (when properly configured...its default config is useless for SSD testing) and Crystal DiskMark. CDM's medium and small tests will give you a much more realistic view on the strengths and weaknesses of the unit and IOM will show how powerful the controller is. These two tests are really all you need to make a fairly good guess on how it will perform in real world situations. IF that site also tested the GSkill F2 you will have a good apples to apples comparison.

Actually now that I think about it.... I may just bump this review up in my que for ya guys and get stress testing it a wee bit earlier than I was planing on. I'll see what I can do :)
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um not trying to get off-topic here but when i ran some test of raid0 vs none raid ssd in the same systems ( i7 920 and x58 ds4 both systems ) mine with falcon x2 in raid0 and s592 in my htpc the only big difference i noticed was multi-tasking was much better on the raided box then the single ssd
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Actually now that I think about it.... I may just bump this review up in my que for ya guys and get stress testing it a wee bit earlier than I was planing on. I'll see what I can do :)
Nice!!! I'm ready to buy. There is still the Vertex 120GB (3 years warranty)@ 299.99 after $40 MIR at NCIX until tomorrow then the GSkill FALCON II 128GB for $328 (2 years warranty)and the Corsair V128GB for $349 (2 years warranty) (Bracket included). I know the "legendary" Vertex, with the OCZ MIR of $40 and increased 3 year warranty seems the most appealing...I just hope that the firmware is up to date...
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