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Old March 16, 2010, 06:55 AM
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I've stayed quiet long enough.

Why the hell should they show it's performance before they are ready for release? To appease whining forum dwellers? Sorry, no can do.

In my opinion, NVIDIA is playing an excellent game of poker here since everyone has been left guessing and as such, their competition has no idea what NVIDIA will be releasing in about a week's time. There have been many guesses (some of which are educated, many of which are not) but that's about it. There have been little to no leaks, no ass-backwards Asian sites that leak delinquent performance with alpha drivers, etc. THIS is the way you stop the competition from predicting and countering your product before it is even released.

This is a billion dollar industry and a company can't continue to operate without a good amount of secrecy surrounding their products. Yes, NVIDIA is "late" but who the heck cares? It is better to be late than release a product which isn't ready for prime time. Some how, there are people who don't seem to understand that.
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I've stayed quiet long enough.

Why the hell should they show it's performance before they are ready for release? To appease whining forum dwellers? Sorry, no can do.

..... Some how, there are people who don't seem to understand that.
I have no problem with it as long as you don't make peoples believe it's ready when it's not..... the President of Nvidia was arrogant, when he show a card on his hand.. he should have just talk about it.

I'm not whining at all... if only you know how much I enjoy that game.

I sell my second 5870 because one was more than enough for my gaming .... do I need a Fermi...no , but I will buy one just to play with it. So actually I don't care if it's only next year.. I just have fun to see peoples expecting buy one on the 26th and have wait month and month for it. How many peoples was expecting the card for last Xmas.. not me of course but many yes, after they see it in the hand of the joker.
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Old March 16, 2010, 07:34 AM
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I have no problem with it as long as you don't make peoples believe it's ready when it's not..... the President of Nvidia was arrogant, when he show a card on his hand.. he should have just talk about it.
When did he show GF100? I was at the GTC and it was said again and again that he was talking about Tesla. Channel partners have been able to put in pre-orders for Tesla C2050 and C2070 cards since December and it was stated at the time the Tesla cards would begin shipping in Q2 2010. For all intents and purposes, that's exactly what's going to happen in the HPC market.

At the GTC and afterwards, not one time was it stated by Jen Hsun that the card was "ready" to ship before the launch date they put in place.
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To appease whining forum dwellers?
Are you trying to say Nvidia isnít on here everyday, sitting on the edge of their seats awaiting our every post?
I donít believe it! We have real Power!

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I cant imagine going these extremes to keeping secrets is good for business when the only other competition has had a firm foothold on that particular market for so long. I can honestly say because of these shenaningans about 25 people I know have said screw the wait for Fermi and went out and got 58xx series cards. Even the die hard nvidia fanbois have started to jump ship because this is getting rediculous. Also keeping secrets about a product as tight as this will deter those less education as they wont be able to make an informed decision in any shape or form on what they want, and will go with whats out there.
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It isn't only for the gaming market NVIDIA is keeping things silent. You can't forget that they have Larrabee to contend with in the HPC market and ATI's FireGL cards in the Pro 3D / OpenGL market.
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I remember reading about ATI's secrecy with Eyefinity, it is very important for these industry leaders to make sure nobody but them knows anything so ATI can't prepare a new card or start on price drops, it may seem like they have something to hide but if Fermi really is a huge success it would be even more important to make sure it is a secret.
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I cant imagine going these extremes to keeping secrets is good for business when the only other competition has had a firm foothold on that particular market for so long. I can honestly say because of these shenaningans about 25 people I know have said screw the wait for Fermi and went out and got 58xx series cards. Even the die hard nvidia fanbois have started to jump ship because this is getting rediculous. Also keeping secrets about a product as tight as this will deter those less education as they wont be able to make an informed decision in any shape or form on what they want, and will go with whats out there.

While they may lose customers to peeps saying the hell with it.....you need to read the Sun Tzu's Art of War to understand the larger picture being played out between ATI, Nvidia and Intel.

"So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself."


Knowing in advance what your competitor or "enemy" has in the pipeline is literally priceless. This is why industrial espionage and security against it is such a HUGE market. Nvidia is in hard place with their kit being delayed and while they have blundered on the PR front a time or two.....keeping info locked up UNTIL the day it is released is a GOOD thing!

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But to quote sun tzu some more

Generally the one who first occupies the battlefield awaiting the enemy is at ease;
the one who comes later and rushes into battle is fatigued.

Whilst I agree with secrecy to keep things competitive - but things like a fake box, fake card for display, and getting everyone riled up about announcements is just having a larger negative impact losing a lot of ground on top of being very very late in the game and the TDP issues with them(not sure if the other thread stating that they had to cut out SM units to drop the TDP on the card is true or not). I think nvidia to keep the masses faithful to them is just release some legitamite figures to assure them they are right in waiting. They know what ati has in store, and the possible competition counter attacks for when Fermi is released - so releasing a few numbers just to keep them a little happy prob would be a good idea imo.

I myself hope that fermi lives up the hype and takes this bloody monopoly off ati and I can get a 2nd 5870 for a reasonable price.
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Delayed or not delayed, it will sell out when it launches and will continue being a hot item for months to come.
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