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Old May 28, 2009, 06:49 PM
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Even if it is true and they start to phase out the i7 1366 socket its been a good platform on which to build. The i5 will need to overclock pretty well to beat a 920@3.8-4.2 when using multiple gpus.

Anyway after moving from core2 (dual and quad) to i7 Ive been surprised at how much more snappy the system is with 2 gpus or in multi thread cpu intensive tasks. Basically its been a blast and with good watercooling these chips are a lot of fun for not a huge amount of money now that they are settling in price, DDR3 RAM is cheap, and decent X58 boards can be had for ~$250.
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hmmm well i luv havin the newest stuff, even thou i dont buy like i used 2,[wish i could buy all the new stuff when it comes out]even thou im still runnin a 3110/4870

2 me its just readin all those juicy reviews on new hardwere,and the smell of the hardwere when i opin the boxes,and the anticapation of all the new fetures and what the hardwere can do...its xciting 4 me,its a hobby that i took up after i got my head injury


so what if it get fazed out everything a person buys these days sumthin newer is gonna b out in a couple months anyway

after a few weeks of playin with the new toys,when i here of new things i start gettin xcited all over agian,so 4 me its just havin a new toy 2 play with.
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Now i7 owners can have their own little exclusive clubs, and new joiners are not welcomed.
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Now i7 owners can have their own little exclusive clubs, and new joiners are not welcomed.

If you want to look at it that way, then i7 is a tremendous success in comparison to Skulltrail.



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Not really news unless a socket / chipset support is discontinued. Some possible scenarios that might be troublesome:
1. New LGA1366 CPUs made to require ECC RAM. Meaning most existing I7 users couldn't just update the CPUs without updating RAM.
2. New LGA1366 CPUs require new chipsets
3. If new LGA1366 boards lose SLI.. meaning SLI users limited to boards with early LGA1366 chipset revisions.

That said.. in some ways early I7 adopters may have benefited through high OC results, etc.. as I would be very surpised if Intel would allow a new CPUs on a budget socket line to OC and outperform costlier CPUs on a concurrent higher end socket line.

Also safe bet that six and eight core Intel CPUs will be on I7 and not on I5.
None of this will happen, hell my Server Grade Xeon 5520's work just FINE with regular ram. ECC support is built into the CPU, not the northbridge, and due to the way its designed, it would require a respin to "block" it off, in other words, why would spend the money?

Second, if anyone had followed Intel roadmaps, they'd known that this was on the map for AGES. Also, if you follow the timeline, the i7 are getting 32nm 6 core CPU's in early 2010, while the i5 isn't scheduled to get ANY 32nm quad core, let alone six or eight core chips till god know when(isn't listed on any roadmaps, 32nm dual core i5 are bound around the same time as the i7 six cores though)

Intel IS NOT KILLING I7, but they are, however, killing off the "low-mid end" part of it. They will continue to pump out i7's for a long while to come(next 2 years at least), there just, unfortunately, not going to be cheap.
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... Also, if you follow the timeline, the i7 are getting 32nm 6 core CPU's in early 2010
I know it was rumoured that the 32nm parts were going to use LGA1366, but was this definitely confirmed?
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None of this will happen, hell my Server Grade Xeon 5520's work just FINE with regular ram. ECC support is built into the CPU, not the northbridge, and due to the way its designed, it would require a respin to "block" it off, in other words, why would spend the money?

Second, if anyone had followed Intel roadmaps, they'd known that this was on the map for AGES. Also, if you follow the timeline, the i7 are getting 32nm 6 core CPU's in early 2010, while the i5 isn't scheduled to get ANY 32nm quad core, let alone six or eight core chips till god know when(isn't listed on any roadmaps, 32nm dual core i5 are bound around the same time as the i7 six cores though)

Intel IS NOT KILLING I7, but they are, however, killing off the "low-mid end" part of it. They will continue to pump out i7's for a long while to come(next 2 years at least), there just, unfortunately, not going to be cheap.
Unless you're an Intel insider, you can't say never. Arguments for:

1. The 32nm 6 core roadmap originally stated Q4 2009. Its only recently been bumped up to Q2 2010.

2. Type of memory support is determined by combination of CPU and mainboard. This can easily change with new CPUs and chipsets within the same socket class. "Regular" I7 CPUs and many I7 mainboards don't support ECC memory. The ones that do require "workstation / server" class I7 Xeons. Yes, the current I7 Xeons also support regular DDR3 which is awesome!! But as Intel is discontinuing budget I7 CPUs.. whos to say they wont discontinue budget DDR3 support on future I7 CPUs. I personally love choice.. but a common rationale is maintaining reputation by ensuring only enterprise class support, etc.

In a purely selfish view, would love it if everyone just used the same CPU, memory, expansion sockets... at the very least as long as possible.
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I might be in the minority but I'm happy I stayed away from I7 early on. But now with the prices of DDR3 and 920 dropping and a bunch of good boards to choose from it would be a better upgrade than a higher end 775. Really at the end of the day it's all about what each individual can "afford" and the need to have the "new" "better" hardware. For me I could afford to go to I7 but 775 is doing me fine at the moment. Maybe in a few months.....
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Unless you're an Intel insider, you can't say never. Arguments for:

1. The 32nm 6 core roadmap originally stated Q4 2009. Its only recently been bumped up to Q2 2010.

2. Type of memory support is determined by combination of CPU and mainboard. This can easily change with new CPUs and chipsets within the same socket class. "Regular" I7 CPUs and many I7 mainboards don't support ECC memory. The ones that do require "workstation / server" class I7 Xeons. Yes, the current I7 Xeons also support regular DDR3 which is awesome!! But as Intel is discontinuing budget I7 CPUs.. whos to say they wont discontinue budget DDR3 support on future I7 CPUs. I personally love choice.. but a common rationale is maintaining reputation by ensuring only enterprise class support, etc.

In a purely selfish view, would love it if everyone just used the same CPU, memory, expansion sockets... at the very least as long as possible.
I'm not an Intel insider, but I do follow various insiders blogs, posts, twitters, etc. If anything Intel's going to expand the LGA1366 socket, it just may not be in the direction *mainstream* people like though.

Just think of i7 as Intel's Mini-SkullTrail, and an extremely successful version of it. A server level platform in enthusiast clothing. Again I'll say it, if you've followed their roadmaps you would of known this is coming for a while, i5 has ALWAYS been in mind for the mainstream-high end, i7 for the high-ultrahigh end.

That's not to say I agree with it, but rather that that it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone what Intel is doing. Its been known this was going to happen since BEFORE i7 was released.

Seriously? i7 and i5 could of EASILY co-existed on LGA1366, with i5 being more of a eco/low-mid end, with i7 taking the mid-ultra highend. X58 prices have started to come down, the i7 920 was decently priced, they could of released the i5 as a simply "slower", or cut back version for cheaper(4 vs 8 threads, dual vs quad core, etc) to meet lower price points, made P55 a LGA1366 QPI chipset with less features/less PCIe lanes to save costs, the list goes on and on on how they could of made LGA1366 work extremly well.

But I'm just some random guy on the sidelines, I, as well as most people here, have no say or control in what Intel wants to do, all we can do is sit back, relax, and enjoy the show.
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