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Old November 12, 2012, 10:34 AM
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I do not get one thing, lets say you are a gamer, and you want to play game x at the best possible quality, you can go either Intel or AMD if you know what you buy. You get THE SAME EXACT EXPERIENCE!!!
If your game gets 60+ frames at max quality than that is the best your brain can physically process, and those frames can be achieved by either Intel or Amd. And thats a fact nobody can deny.
I sometimes feel that people who must have an Intel talk like their whole day is all about doing video encoding/decoding, where the couple of seconds extra are something that is the difference between life and death. I can understand people who work with certain apps in which Intels gets an extra 10-20% in speed, so less time. But those a a huge minority.
I also agree that Intel outpeforms AMD in almost every department, but who really, I mean really needs that extra? You dont need it in gaming, and thats the best argument Intel fans have. You want to tell me you bother about the difference from 110 fps to 117 fps? Or from 80 fps to 84 fps? You bother, your brain doesnt cause it dose not perceived the difference.

So why all of this? Simply because some people want to have what it best out there, but who dont want to acknowledge that they can get WHAT THEY NEED with both chips. Call it macho-way-of-life :)) I have a Intel that does 10% extra, or 15%, or 20%, but it does not really matter, I cant feel the difference, but I have the longest...processor :))))

I have both Amd and Intel over the years, now I have a Phenom II X4 955 BE coupled with a 7870 for gaming, both overclocked, (not because I need it, the overclock I mean, but for the actual fun of overclocking), and there is NO GAME out there I cant play maxxed out at the best possible framerate. None! Before this I have A C2D 6550, and I went for the AMD because it had the extra performance and offered me everything I need at a quite cheaper price than a possible Intel part.

So I really dont understand people who do not go for what they need, but for what is longer...thicker and better in benchmarks :)))
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Old November 12, 2012, 11:10 AM
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I'm pretty sure the difference is greater than a few percent.

I used to only own AMD based PCs then AMD released the Phenom processor. That made me finally go to Intel.

Honestly, the Intel chipset based motherboards is where it's at. They just work, and work very well. It's the difference between buying a "fixer upper" and a nice BMW.

And seriously? I don't see the point in losing out on that extra 20% when I can have it today, which is the reason I overclock my processors.

Overall I see your point though. Why buy a Camaro when a Smart Car is just about as fast, right?
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Old November 12, 2012, 11:28 AM
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I do not get one thing, lets say you are a gamer, and you want to play game x at the best possible quality, you can go either Intel or AMD if you know what you buy. You get THE SAME EXACT EXPERIENCE!!!
If your game gets 60+ frames at max quality than that is the best your brain can physically process, and those frames can be achieved by either Intel or Amd. And thats a fact nobody can deny.
I sometimes feel that people who must have an Intel talk like their whole day is all about doing video encoding/decoding, where the couple of seconds extra are something that is the difference between life and death. I can understand people who work with certain apps in which Intels gets an extra 10-20% in speed, so less time. But those a a huge minority.
I also agree that Intel outpeforms AMD in almost every department, but who really, I mean really needs that extra? You dont need it in gaming, and thats the best argument Intel fans have. You want to tell me you bother about the difference from 110 fps to 117 fps? Or from 80 fps to 84 fps? You bother, your brain doesnt cause it dose not perceived the difference.

So why all of this? Simply because some people want to have what it best out there, but who dont want to acknowledge that they can get WHAT THEY NEED with both chips. Call it macho-way-of-life :)) I have a Intel that does 10% extra, or 15%, or 20%, but it does not really matter, I cant feel the difference, but I have the longest...processor :))))

I have both Amd and Intel over the years, now I have a Phenom II X4 955 BE coupled with a 7870 for gaming, both overclocked, (not because I need it, the overclock I mean, but for the actual fun of overclocking), and there is NO GAME out there I cant play maxxed out at the best possible framerate. None! Before this I have A C2D 6550, and I went for the AMD because it had the extra performance and offered me everything I need at a quite cheaper price than a possible Intel part.

So I really dont understand people who do not go for what they need, but for what is longer...thicker and better in benchmarks :)))
Because not everybody has gaming as their first PC focus. I fold (well Boinc at the moment) 24/7 and current AMD processors cannot hold a candle to intel procs when it comes to working flat out 100% across all cores.

I'd also question your assertion WRT gaming. There's more to gaming than just what FPS the card is able to put out, CPU ability has a lot to do with playability as well.

Simply put, outside of a few applications which may or may not improve if/when programs can take advantage of PD's strong points intel's current pricing makes it difficult for AMD to compete on the desktop market unless they step up their game. For standard desktops, there is an intel product close to the same price point that outperforms AMD products by a wide margin. The question isn't "what's good enough?", it's "Why wouldn't you spend an extra $10 to get greatly improved performance?"
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Old November 12, 2012, 12:02 PM
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I'm just a computer hardware sheep I guess. I've always bought Intel and always thought that AMD was the "frugal mans" solution to high priced hardware. A tad bit lower performance but "good enough". I dunno I just feel a bit better when people are throwing around thier system specs and I can at least hold my head somewhat higher telling them my mediocre Intel specs. Baaaaahhhh.
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Old November 12, 2012, 01:22 PM
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Because not everybody has gaming as their first PC focus. I fold (well Boinc at the moment) 24/7 and current AMD processors cannot hold a candle to intel procs when it comes to working flat out 100% across all cores.

I'd also question your assertion WRT gaming. There's more to gaming than just what FPS the card is able to put out, CPU ability has a lot to do with playability as well.

Simply put, outside of a few applications which may or may not improve if/when programs can take advantage of PD's strong points intel's current pricing makes it difficult for AMD to compete on the desktop market unless they step up their game. For standard desktops, there is an intel product close to the same price point that outperforms AMD products by a wide margin. The question isn't "what's good enough?", it's "Why wouldn't you spend an extra $10 to get greatly improved performance?"
I would not agree that if you have all game settings to uber high and you constanly get 100 fps average and minimal of 60 there is anything else you can or would need. And true, not everything is about gaming, just brought that up because its a major "fact" use by Intel lovers. And the truth never only has one side, there's multiple truths. (aka, you can game just as well with certain Amd as with certain Intels)(can you deny this? )

And also true, as I said before, Intels are better, much more than I would like. But also true that what I or you would need is sort of specialized and I and you are not the majority of users. That is why AMD still exists, still makes chips, because as Perineum said, some need a car that gets them reasonably fast from A to B. I might like and want a Lamborghini, but since I cant afford one I go for a Lancer Evo, still a good car, still fast, still fun to drive from A to B. And for most the extra x percent they cant feel or use is just not relevant at all. Cost is. And its still cheaper to buil a Adm setup than a Intel for certain things. So everybody buys what they need, some of us can afford to buy what we dont really need but what makes us happier, ie better benchmarks, cause we would not have this conversation if we wouldnt watch those benchmarks like they would be the 10 commandments

And last, I really hope AMD gets back on track cause that will be gold for all of us
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Old November 12, 2012, 05:26 PM
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I'm just a computer hardware sheep I guess. I've always bought Intel and always thought that AMD was the "frugal mans" solution to high priced hardware. A tad bit lower performance but "good enough". I dunno I just feel a bit better when people are throwing around thier system specs and I can at least hold my head somewhat higher telling them my mediocre Intel specs. Baaaaahhhh.
Back in the day AMD was definitely the one to go for. Cheaper and faster. A complete win-win.
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Old November 15, 2012, 11:00 PM
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After reading eight pages I have reaffirmed why I normally refuse to post or participate in most forums. I come to read what others have to say to learn and attempt to find facts or proof. I join forums to read and learn, not read eight pages of redundant arguments that have actually said nothing more than the first five posts said to begin with. That said I still enjoy being here reading and learning, I'll just find a new thread to read.
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Old November 20, 2012, 08:14 AM
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Used to strictly purchase AMD only.. because of the "bang for buck" that I used to love so much.
But now it is becoming harder and harder to see it from AMD even with the overclocks..
The best thing about AMD right now (at least from what I can see) is their socket retention - purchase 1 nice board and it'll last multiple generations.
As a consumer, I really dislike Intel's "tick tock". It really puts me off from purchasing a high end board, I tend to stick to mid-level ones now because I know they are going to retire the socket.
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Old December 3, 2012, 02:18 PM
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Well I'm gonna grab me an FX-8350 just because I can toss on board that currently only has a fx6100 on it. And I figure AMD could use the business. It's already way over kill for the htpc it's going in.
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