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Did they just rebrand a GTX275 and give it the ability to use DX11?
No, this card uses failed GF100 GPUs.
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Old May 30, 2010, 08:45 PM
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No, this card uses failed GF100 GPUs.

Yeah but that's like saying the i7 920, 930, 940 and 950s are nothing but "failed" 960's. Or AMD X2s and X3 are nothing but failed X4s. Its not necessarily a bad thing they just dont run at the higher spec (or come with a higher price tag). Every company designs and builds them like this so as to not have as much wastage. :)
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Yeah but that's like saying the i7 920, 930, 940 and 950s are nothing but "failed" 960's. Or AMD X2s and X3 are nothing but failed X4s.
Your Intel analogy fails, because those CPUs are all identical aside from clock speed. They don't have any failed components that forced Intel to disable certain parts to get them to function properly. As for the AMD part, yes, the X2s and X3s are failed X4s. No, it isn't necessarily a bad thing because the manufacturers can save some cash by reusing partially failed parts instead of discarding them, but at the same time, CPUs and GPUs with disabled parts are more expensive to manufacture and less power-efficient than full-featured smaller chips that were manufactured without the failed components in the first place.
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Lower end cards are almost always crippled higher end ones. Its like saying water is wet, snow is cold and companies will make as much profit as they can. That aint a NV or ATI thing....its just a business thing.
I was merely pointing out that ofcourse they are a lower binned chip. Thats how the mfg'ing world works. Nothing personal.
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Lower end cards are almost always crippled higher end ones.
Most lower-end cards actually use smaller versions of the higher-end GPUs. There have been a decent number of cards that do use GPUs that didn't make the cut, but they are a minority. Up until the GT200 generation, the main lower-end cards from basically every modern ATI and nVidia generation all used their own GPUs rather than the high-end GPUs with parts disabled. Radeon 9600/Geforce FX5600, X700/6600, X1600/7600, 2600/8600, 3650/9600, etc.
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The 465 is not a super low end card. It is equivalent to a 58xx series....which all use the same core. So are you saying its bad when NV does it...but OK when ATI does? Sounds hypocritical to me.
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guys, you know what time it is?

another round on the house! yes sir!

ok, the 465 is a crippled fermi..or so we think with enough firmness to run brother sky's beer fridge dam dry!

lets wait, 3hrs or so to go
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The 465 is not a super low end card. It is equivalent to a 58xx series....which all use the same core. So are you saying its bad when NV does it...but OK when ATI does? Sounds hypocritical to me.
No, I don't really like it when either one does it. I personally think the 5830 is a waste as well. The 5850 isn't bad because it actually performs very well, is priced well, works within a reasonable power envelope, and isn't terribly handicapped compared to the 5870. Same thing with the GTX 470 and 480. But when it comes to lower-end cards, it just doesn't work as well, and this and the 5830 are good examples of that. Since Fermi is supposed to be a very scalable architecture, I would like to see nVidia release a smaller GF100 variant instead of this.
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another round on the house! yes sir!
Unless you're going to start actually buying me beer, I think it's time for you to knock it off with this nonsense already.
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Looks like the price and performance is between a 5830 and a 5850.
The keynote just started.
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Link to keynote?
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