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Old February 24, 2008, 01:53 PM
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Default Mushkin HP2 PC2-6400, or Patrior PC2-8500?

As some of you may know, I recently tried to OC my OCZ reapers without much luck (even at +0.4v, 6-5-6-20-52-2T). I can't post at 1000mhz+ speeds, and am considering purchasing a new set.

I heard Mushkin is a good brand, and the reviews I have seen confirm this opinion.

I was thinking of purchasing the PC2-6400 DDR2-800 2x1GB memory set, for some overclocking. I can get the 4-4-4-12 set for $55, or the 4-5-4-11 set for $53. Any idea why (a) the prices are different and (b) why they would sell memory with timings that are so close?

I nearly jumped on the patriot extreme 2x1gb pc2-8500 ddr2-1066 CL5-5-5-15 for $69.99 at NCIX ($110 instant rebate + $30 MIR), but thought...well if I save another $20, I won't have the hassle of an MIR, and can get cheaper memory that, when OC'd, is close to that speed.

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Old February 24, 2008, 02:59 PM
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I also had troubles hitting DDR2-1000 in the review I did on the Reapers. Just remember for next time, that OCZ only uses D9GMH with kits faster than PC2-7200 (2GB).

Mushkin:

a) Same as b)
b) They use the same chips

Patriot:

Skip them and go for my suggestion.

I suggest you going with a used kit of ram with guaranteed D9GMH/D9GKX. I would suggest you http://www.ncix.com/products/index.p...Y&promoid=1058

BUT, Crucial recently decided to use D9HNL (far less superior to D9GMH/D9GKX), so if you want to take the chance, then go with the Ballistix, if not, go with something used.
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Old February 24, 2008, 03:22 PM
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Confusing for me, but a great answer.

I'll hold out and see what I can get my hands on I suppose in the used memory arena.

I half-wished that it wouldn't be this difficult, but in a way I am happy to be learning something new about my RAM. Thanks!
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Old February 24, 2008, 05:23 PM
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I have the Mushkin 2X1GB HP2-6400 4-4-4-12 kit. They are running at 1000mhz 5-5-5-15 with no problems, and at a mere 1.9V. For some reason, my kit seems to like low voltages more.

If you want 1000+ on memory, it's better to get some DDR2-1066 as it is guaranteed you will get those speeds. The only DDR2-800 kits you should get are ones that are guaranteed to have good D9 chips. I bought some Patriot 2GB DDR2-800 LLK, and they wouldn't hit 1000mhz for me, despite some reviews saying they use D9GMH and they had 1000mhz 5-5-5-15 in the SPD table in CPU-Z.

As for your questions:

The 4-4-4-12 is newer than the 4-5-4-12 kit, but I'm not sure what the differences are besides voltage and timings.

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Old February 24, 2008, 05:29 PM
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Sorry about my messed up answer, I was pretty tired when I posted it.

Anyways, take a look at: DDR2 RAM List to find more information on the kits you want.

Ideally, you want D9GMH or D9GKX.
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I should apologize Wanker - I should have said that your answer was advanced for me, not confusing. Sorry for coming off so rude!

Thanks so much for the help you two.
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Decided that I will be getting the crucial ballistix. Seems to be my best chance to get Micron D9GMH, considering Micron made Crucial in the 80's to sell direct to the public.

I am going to get the ballistix tracer pc2-8500, for $77 from DC, even though they are rated at 5-5-5-12 (versus 4-4-4-12 most pc2-6400 sets are rated). I figure I could either push them on the frequency, or tighten the timings. Either way, it will pave the way for when I get a 1066 fsb CPU, and then I can OC them together since the ram is already rated for that speed, rather than trying to push 800mhz ram to 1066, and then further on when I OC the CPU.

Can anyone comment if I have the right idea here? I figured this would be better since it seems the pc2-6400 tracers have a chance of having the bad Micron D9DQW, while the 8500's don't according to the site Wanker gave above, and the 8500's are rated for 1066mhz right out of the box.

**Edit: realized it is not on the GA compatibility list for my MoBo, but that should not be a problem right? Don't know too much about RAM/MoBo configs in that sense **
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Decided that I will be getting the crucial ballistix. Seems to be my best chance to get Micron D9GMH, considering Micron made Crucial in the 80's to sell direct to the public.

I am going to get the ballistix tracer pc2-8500, for $77 from DC, even though they are rated at 5-5-5-12 (versus 4-4-4-12 most pc2-6400 sets are rated). I figure I could either push them on the frequency, or tighten the timings. Either way, it will pave the way for when I get a 1066 fsb CPU, and then I can OC them together since the ram is already rated for that speed, rather than trying to push 800mhz ram to 1066, and then further on when I OC the CPU.

Can anyone comment if I have the right idea here? I figured this would be better since it seems the pc2-6400 tracers have a chance of having the bad Micron D9DQW, while the 8500's don't according to the site Wanker gave above, and the 8500's are rated for 1066mhz right out of the box.

**Edit: realized it is not on the GA compatibility list for my MoBo, but that should not be a problem right? Don't know too much about RAM/MoBo configs in that sense **
I would not recommend getting the Crucial Ballistix, there are many reports of serious issues, multiple rma's, etc. for that ram. I have the same mobo as you and it's pretty good for compatibility with most brands of ram.
I have had very good results and reliability with Mushkin, having switched from OCZ a few years ago. Having said that, I have lusted for a set of Team D9GMH-based ram for a while now, my current set of Mushkin HP2-6400 (the 4-5-4-11 set) ram is maxed out at my current settings. So, I purchased a 2GB set of Team Xtreem PC2-8000 from TankGuys for $70. Unfortunately, I received a set from Team with one dead stick, the other worked fine. So, now I am waiting for a replacement set for the Team ram. They were very good about it, I had a reply to my rma request within a few hours. Hopefully the replacement set will be ok.
Although I primarily buy from NCIX, they have not lowered their price on Team ram so when I heard about TankGuys pricing for Team I went for it. My set is currently selling for $436 at NCIX vs $70 at TankGuys, so it was a no-brainer. NCIX really has to do a review of their Team ram pricing.
The Team Xtreem set (they also have the higher-binned sets, PC2-8500 and up) should be good for fairly tight timings. I need to be able to run a high fsb so tighter timings are not a priority as I want to have good stability at my current overclock on the E8400, possibly being able to jack it up a little higher. The Xtreem series are all guaranteed D9GMH or D9GKX. Alternatively, the Mushkin XP's are all D9GMH or GKX based as well, and NCIX has fairly good pricing on Mushkin ram.
I will post my results as soon as I get mine back.
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Sorry about my messed up answer, I was pretty tired when I posted it.

Anyways, take a look at: DDR2 RAM List to find more information on the kits you want.

Ideally, you want D9GMH or D9GKX.
OK so after you have the RAM how do you tell which chip it is runniong if it has more than one possibility?
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You have to peel back the heatspreader. If you do this, you will void your warranty and you might end up uncovering rebadged chips.
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