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Old May 28, 2009, 04:11 PM
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I understand the process as it 'should' occur. That, however, does not mean it DOES occur.

There is plenty of info out there regarding certain companies past practices of binning parts to reviewers to sell more copies based upon 'amazing!' performance. I belive both OCZ and nVidia have been busted with doing this (and this is the reason anandtech was blacklisted from OEM sent nVidia cards), and its also the reason Anand now purchases newegg copies of stuff to verify results within a moderate setting when suspect occurrences arise.

I'm not trying to trash any ones name, by any means, especially HWC and its reviewers. I love the reviews here. Nor am I saying you guys should out of pocket purchase more of said X part. Thats insane. However, there is a different association (for ME at least) put on OEM sent vs retail purchased overclocks and performance. Yes, I do totally understand OC results vary item to item. But I (excuse me while I don my tinfoil hat!) suspect OEM sent items, or am atleast wary of them due to identified situations in the past, and would like to know where the products come from. Thats all I'm saying.

Maybe noone else does, and I'm alone?
It's a valid concern, and one that all reviewers are aware of, but in fairness to 3oh6 I think he was pretty clear in both the review and the first post here (following quote) about these results being from a single set, and his desire for other folks to post their results so that we can get a better indication of predictable OC results.


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Mushkin is making a splash in the pool again, a big splash. They have recently announced a number of of Redline and Redline Ascent memory kits for the Intel i7 platform. These tripple channel kits are first to market rated for CL6 operation at DDR3-1600. Today we proudly post the review of the Mushkin Redline Ascent PC3-12800 6-7-6-18 3x2GB kit of memory.


We understand this is just a single kit, but the overclocking absolutely stunned us. These Mushkin Ascents aren't budget memory, but they certainly aren't the $400+ high-end kits available either. The potential overhead definitely makes them worth a look for that price range.

As mentioned a couple times in the review, we really would love to see some user feedback on this kit as well as the Redline counter part. So if you have this memory, be sure to post your results here, and don't hesitate to ask any questions on clocking this memory...but it is quite obvious that 6-8-6 is your friend
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Old May 28, 2009, 04:13 PM
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I think the only reason we did these instead of having a reseller send them was they were unavailable in Canada at the time.

Also, if you see any Mushkin product thats not available at your Canadian reseller of choice, feel free to let me know (nick@mushkin.com). I sit right next to our primary Canadian rep, and it takes all of 30 seconds to poke him and get him after the resellers. Also helps if you send the reseller an e-mail asking about the parts since it helps when they see demand on their end.
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Old May 28, 2009, 04:26 PM
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I understand the process as it 'should' occur. That, however, does not mean it DOES occur.
your questioning of the process is more than welcomed. critical thinking is a must in society, unfortunately it isn't done enough. that is why countries go to war under false pretense, don't go to war where they should, world economics can be brought to their knees, and elected officials can not always be elected in certain southern states with a finger pointing toward mexico. if more people knew how to think critically about life, advertising, government, etc...this world would be a munch better place.

with the level of distrust you are outlining, you just have to take everything you read in this industry with a grain of salt...heck, i do

thanks for jumping in Nick with a bit of insight on how Mushkin processes review samples, much appreciated.
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I just did a build for my Dad with the 998691 kit, which is the same except for the heatspreaders. He wanted a fast machine, with high quality parts.

Mushkin sent the ram knowing full well that it was for my Dad and the machine would never be overclocked. So there is no way they sent me cherries for his rig. I know that the kit came out of the warehouse like anyone elses.

The point being that I had very similar results to what 3oh6 had

On the Asus Rampge II Gene I pulled the following on air


Default timings and frequency at 1.52V


Default timings at 875MHz at 1.65V
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If Mushkin, Corsair, OCZ and everyone else spent their time cherry picking review samples, they would never have enough time to send out samples as many of these guys have VERY small teams. QA is hard to begin with even with lower-clocked modules not to mention the binning that goes into the higher-end stuff. My point is that many of these manufacturers simply don't have the manpower to screen modules which make their way to the marketing team.
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It's also important to note that these are binned as cas 6 right out of the box. One would think that would indicate a fair bit of headroom........
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Hello all, new here. FYI I just got the 998707's and so far they do 1600 6-6-6 just fine.
I'm running 2000 7-8-7 right now and it is 90% stable . I think heat is more of a issue for me right now than the memory itself. It's in the high 90's here and air cooling the cpu is not cutting it. I tried looking at the chips through the heatsinks and I swear the look slated. I need to learn how to take macros on my d50. This whole redline family is showing great promise so far and there is still two more kits above mine. If you have any requests ,please ask.

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P.S very good and thorough review.
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Great to have you on board.

However, what do you consider "90% stable"?
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all the graphs are showing a "3x1GB" kit(silver bars). it's very confusing.
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