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Old February 21, 2008, 07:42 AM
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It's likely cooled improperly in that case. Honestly, of many friends with 360s (and myself included) I've never seen anyone with them. From the very earliest ones to my new 65nm one with HDMI.
I have had to return 3 360's to Microsoft due to the RROD... these are not isolated incidents, the 360 is poorly designed and it shows.
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I think that's usually what it is too. I have a friend that has had the issue (RRoD) with a few of them, and it never seemed to dawn on him that it was always really hot inside the closed glass cabinet that it was in. But that was somehow Microsoft making a crappy product.
Which isn't to say that MS isn't cutting the thermals a little close on the consoles.
Consoles are designed to be stacked in cabinet style enclosures, remember this is a gaming console you are talking about, not a PC.

The fact that Microsoft is retroactively replacing any 360 that has a RROD proves there is a design flaw with the system.
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Consoles are designed to be stacked in cabinet style enclosures, remember this is a gaming console you are talking about, not a PC.

The fact that Microsoft is retroactively replacing any 360 that has a RROD proves there is a design flaw with the system.
There is certainly a design flaw and it should be fixed with 65nm platforms (the platform after falcon). But I agree, this is meant to be thrown somewhere, sometimes out of sight. Why should we expect less from this xbox than of the rpevious one that could run with no issue?

It was way too rushed, and it shows. Plus...thers a reason that apple moved away from PPC. MS should have learned from that :D
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Hehe, I heard about this yestorday, it's almost as entertaining as the Emotiv's product not working. Remember, don't be nervous, use any type of wireless devices, and have a strong brain when trying to play games....with your mind.

Also, about the red ring, apparently (was said from a "reliable source" -_-) it is caused by the heatsink they have on the CPU. So...anyone up for watercooling there 360?
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Hehe, I heard about this yestorday, it's almost as entertaining as the Emotiv's product not working. Remember, don't be nervous, use any type of wireless devices, and have a strong brain when trying to play games....with your mind.

Also, about the red ring, apparently (was said from a "reliable source" -_-) it is caused by the heatsink they have on the CPU. So...anyone up for watercooling there 360?
I took apart my last 360, the cooling on the cpu is pathetic, it's a slab of aluminum.
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Unless I am mistaken the CPU has the much larger heatsink with the GPU being closer to the optical drive and having the small one..
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Unless I am mistaken the CPU has the much larger heatsink with the GPU being closer to the optical drive and having the small one..
I believe so, Microsoft has changed the cooling on the refurbs now though.
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Yes, however I am pretty sure I have heard of them failing as well. A slightly bigger heatsink does not seem to be quite good enough with such horrid airflow.
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Yes, however I am pretty sure I have heard of them failing as well. A slightly bigger heatsink does not seem to be quite good enough with such horrid airflow.
Since Microsoft wouldn't replace my last 360 (prior to retroactive recall), I popped off the heatsink and cleaned the the crap paste of it. I then applied AS5 screwed it back together, still had a RROD :( . Out of curiousity though, I turned the 360 on with the casing off it. I touched the CPU heatsink and I kid you not, you could evaporate water on it, is was so hot.
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