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Old September 21, 2011, 03:51 AM
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Default Crime bill to include email and internet use data without warrant [CBC]

This was in the works for a while, but the omnibus crime bill is now being debated in parliament. For Canadians, there are new provisions in this bill concerning technology use:
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Compel internet service providers to hand over email and other internet usage data without a search warrant, even if no formal investigation is underway.
Will a new crime bill make Canada safer? - Your Community

While nobody should ever truly believe that they had total privacy on the net, it should be noted that a warrant would have been needed in the past for some of the info this bill now gives access to.
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Old September 21, 2011, 05:19 AM
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Welcome to the problem with omnibus bills -- it seems the Conservatives are taking a lot of ideas from the U.S., including attaching good ideas to bad ones, in order to get the bad ones passed (How dare you oppose a bill creating longer sentences for sex offenders! So what if it changes the fundamental judicial process for the rest of us, you must be pro-sex offender!).

Even in a majority, it's better to bury the stuff that'll screw everyone in bills with popular, headline-grabbing sections.
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And a timely piece in the Vancouver Sun as a lack of court resources leads to a drug dealer's conviction being tossed: B.C. judge blasts province as cocaine dealer set free over court delays

"In July, the government admitted that in the first half of 2011 alone, 65 adult criminal and youth cases had been judicially stayed because of undue delays."

Meanwhile, budgetary guesses at the cost of the omnibus crime bill -- the Conservatives refuse to provide Parliament or the public with costs projections -- figure the federal corrections budget alone will have to double compared to 2005-06, despite the crime rate continuing to drop. This from Corrections Canada. The provinces, which will actually bear the brunt of the additional costs, have no real idea of how high their bill will be. Perhaps some of it will be offset by not having convicted criminals go to jail, because the resources for convicting them are tied up in enlarging corrections facilities?

The policy itself of longer incarcerations is questionable at best (see the U.S. for how well large prison populations reduce crime rates), but to implement such a policy without any financial planning is the very definition of fiscal incompetence. Show me how this will prevent more crimes than, say, programs dedicated to crime prevention, and thereby improve society and the economy -- don't just tell me "it'll work, trust us, and besides, you don't support crime, do you?"
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As far as crime goes... we have a wonderfull piece of land called the NorthWest Territories that's remote, cold, empty and perfect to setup a large scale super security prison. Remove parole and crap like that, remove TVs, phones, ect... You are there to serve a sentence, not a 5 years paid trip in a hotel.

That's what i'd do to begin with.
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Imho, the crime bill's primary purpose is to grant more police and judicial powers. It's the beginner stages for a police state.
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Imho, the crime bill's primary purpose is to grant more police and judicial powers. It's the beginner stages for a police state.
just in time for when the purposely engineered housing bubble pops and canadians realize they're on the hook for a half a trillion through the cmhc.


oh and i'm sure there are politicians that will profit under the table from this, just like in the states with prisons that are private, subsidized ,and therefore very profitable industry which makes prisoners a commodity. harper's probably been lobbied to the tits for this

quite frankly harper makes me disgusted to be canadian

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Well with the reworked "Safe Streets and Communities Act" that does not include the spying portion, I think it is a good idea.
Anything that imposes harsher sentences for violent offenders is good in my book. Frankly I don't get what people would think is wrong with this act now that the online spying is removed. It would be nice to see things like house arrest removed as an option for violent offenders. Hell maybe if this comes in, a little tiny bit more justice would be served.

Here is an example of how screwed things are now and why we need more harsh sentences. A girl I know got severely beaten and put into the hospital with multiple broken bones. All of this was done by someone who is only here on a work visa, and was not even working. Do you know what he gets for a sentence? 3 months, served on weekends. Oh and yes he is still in the country because the courts think it would be better for him to stay here and work. Of course they don't even have any proof he is even working now but that doesn't matter. As it stands he has applied to get the weekend sentence changed to house arrest. So in other words he just wants it so that he just has to stay home over the weekend and that is it. All of this for nearly beating someone to death. That is whats wrong with our system. First thing he should have been deported, but that aside he should at least be held responsible for his actions and not this pathetic slap on the wrist.

So yea, anything that can help nail people like this to the wall the better. I just hate how everything in the judicial system is now more concerned with the criminals rights instead of the victims.
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Ipaine, I hear ya. As I see it there's a few problems that need to be dealt with, option 1) the ugly truth, bring back death penalty, frees up space at the prison, more cost efficient than option 2. Option 2) Build more prisons to house inmates for longer periods, open up that wallet tax payer.

The system is pathetic at this point and imho there's no fixing it until it gets the same attention as the classic election headlines as "health care and education".
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Well with the reworked "Safe Streets and Communities Act" that does not include the spying portion, I think it is a good idea.
Anything that imposes harsher sentences for violent offenders is good in my book. Frankly I don't get what people would think is wrong with this act now that the online spying is removed. It would be nice to see things like house arrest removed as an option for violent offenders. Hell maybe if this comes in, a little tiny bit more justice would be served.

Here is an example of how screwed things are now and why we need more harsh sentences. A girl I know got severely beaten and put into the hospital with multiple broken bones. All of this was done by someone who is only here on a work visa, and was not even working. Do you know what he gets for a sentence? 3 months, served on weekends. Oh and yes he is still in the country because the courts think it would be better for him to stay here and work. Of course they don't even have any proof he is even working now but that doesn't matter. As it stands he has applied to get the weekend sentence changed to house arrest. So in other words he just wants it so that he just has to stay home over the weekend and that is it. All of this for nearly beating someone to death. That is whats wrong with our system. First thing he should have been deported, but that aside he should at least be held responsible for his actions and not this pathetic slap on the wrist.

So yea, anything that can help nail people like this to the wall the better. I just hate how everything in the judicial system is now more concerned with the criminals rights instead of the victims.

guess it depends on your race or the amount of money you can throw at a lawyer because as we speak there's a 25 year old native man andy peekeekoot serving life from repeated brawls. watch this investigation and tell me this young guy deserves to be locked away like he's robert picketon

LOCKED UP FOR LIFE PART 1 | APTN National News

LOCKED UP FOR LIFE PART 2 | APTN National News


oh and of course you wont hear of this story on any mainstream canadian media just like they wont expose harper and his close freind

Former Harper advisor had deal with escort for First Nations water contracts: document | APTN National News
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