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Old June 21, 2011, 09:31 AM
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Default AMD Will Not Endorse SYSmark 2012 Benchmark & Resigns from BAPCo

AMD today announced that it will not endorse the SYSmark 2012 Benchmark (SM2012), which is published by BAPCo (Business Applications Performance Corporation). Along with the withdrawal of support, AMD has resigned from the BAPCo organization.

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Old June 21, 2011, 09:43 AM
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Currently, AMD is evaluating other benchmarking alternatives, including encouraging the creation of an industry consortium to establish an open benchmark to measure overall system performance.
That would actually be pretty cool, especially if they could find a way to bundle it all up into a bootable live linux cd to ensure that we're comparing apples to apples without variables. Unfortunately, the platform, and other dependancies can have a pretty big effect on performance, so a one-size-fits-all solution is of questionable value.
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Old June 21, 2011, 09:52 AM
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There is no such thing as a truly open benchmark. In order for it to be called a "benchmark" in certain industries, it has to be endorsed by at least one major player...which leads right into the same territory we're currently in with SysMark.
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I think thats why I'd rather take fraps results as a more "reliable" mesurement of game preformance vs in game benchmarks. Though again as I have felt & said for MANY eons on a fellow red n canadian forum .... build 2 equaly preforming "optimized" box's 1 intel other amd, sit any other normal average user down at them & have them do whatever at it. Then ask them what they though was better, if they said neither ... then tell them how much it cost to build either of them .... you think if they could have the same preformance from a AMD box that was say $200 cheaper to build they wouldn't do so ?

Again simply put there needs to be something out there as mentioned that will be "neutral" to all cpu/gpu companies while still showing generalized computing power.
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Old June 22, 2011, 12:08 PM
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This is over at the Anandtech site on this. Nvidia is pulling its support as well.

AnandTech - Update: AMD Resigns from BAPCo Over SYSmark 2012 Concerns, NVIDIA Also Leaves, BAPCo Responds
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Old June 22, 2011, 01:18 PM
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AMD withdraws and Nvidia withdraws both citing issues around the benchmark not being "reality" based. Instead stressing old useless benchmarks that are known to perform well on certain platforms. Sniff - sniff, smells like Intel is still up to no good ...

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"In order for it to be called a "benchmark" in certain industries, it has to be endorsed by at least one major player...which leads right into the same territory we're currently in with SysMark."

So if Intel endorses it but no one else will, is it still a benchmark? no, not at all - it's disingenuous marketing tactics at that point. I think that both AMD and Nvidia withdrawing tells enough of the story ...
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are we still talking about the old intel compiler issue where whatever performs better on intel because it opens up optimizations? :)
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Arrow BAPCo Says AMD Approved 80% of the Benchmarks in SYSMark 2012

A little ballance to the story, that some of you already might have read:
"Advanced Micro Devices (AMD) was, until recently, a long standing member of BAPCo. We welcomed AMD's full participation in the two year development cycle of SYSmark 2012, AMD's leadership role in creating the development process that BAPCo uses today and in providing expert resources for developing the workload contents. Each member in BAPCo gets one vote on any proposals made by member companies. AMD voted in support of over 80% of the SYSmark 2012 development milestones, and were supported by BAPCo in 100% of the SYSmark 2012 proposals they put forward to the consortium. BAPCo also notes for the record that, contrary to the false assertion by AMD, BAPCo never threatened AMD with expulsion from the consortium, despite previous violations of its obligations to BAPCo under the consortium member agreement."

Source: BAPCo Says AMD Approved 80% of the Benchmarks in SYSMark 2012 - Legit Reviews
Like any other business, AMD too makes its own marketing decisions - its just press, in my opinion.
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Everyone is is just talking about AMD... the fact that nVidia dropped it too I think says something especially considering nVidia is in direct competition with AMD and they both reject it.

I think if something wasn't up nVidia would definately be on board.
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or nvidia did not want to look like the cheater ? :)
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