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Old August 15, 2010, 03:57 PM
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If you just want to release another 40nm card to top or match the 480, call it the 5890 and leave it at that. Don't rehash your GPU lineup on faster clocks of the same tech and brand it the next generation...
Exactly. It makes things way too confusing for uninformed PC builders/enthusiasts. Kind of like how the green team reused the same G92 core to produce the 8800GT, 9800GT and GTS250 cards.

I agree that a more powerful 58XX series single gpu card is the way to go if ATI takes that route. However money is the name of the game and corporate giants don't always do what makes sense. I hope ATI does do what makes sense. In the perfect world, we'd all love for ATI to wait until the 28nm process is ready and they release a brand new architecture based on it.

In my opinion...... I can't see ATI releasing a monster flag ship next gen card on a 40nm process based on the fact that they are big on low power consumption.
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Exactly. It makes things way too confusing for uninformed PC builders/enthusiasts. Kind of like how the green team reused the same G92 core to produce the 8800GT, 9800GT and GTS250 cards.
Well, that's not what it is at all. nVidia did a straight die-shrink using G92 without changing the architecture at all. Southern Islands will be a combination of ATI's current architecture and their next-generation Northern Islands architecture. It's not entirely new, but it's also certainly not the same as their current gen.
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Well, that's not what it is at all. nVidia did a straight die-shrink using G92 without changing the architecture at all. Southern Islands will be a combination of ATI's current architecture and their next-generation Northern Islands architecture. It's not entirely new, but it's also certainly not the same as their current gen.
Yes I realize that. Re-read the quote from Caldezar which I was commenting on.

But like I said, if ATI indeed sticks with a 40nm manufacturing process for a next gen card I don't think you'll see any major performance increases unless they are willing to unleash a major heat producing power hog.

They "should" wait until the 28nm process is good to go first, and for now just release a faster 5800 series card (aka 5890)...... if they can.
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Yes I realize that. Re-read the quote from Caldezar which I was commenting on.

But like I said, if ATI indeed sticks with a 40nm manufacturing process for a next gen card I don't think you'll see any major performance increases unless they are willing to unleash a major heat producing power hog.

They "should" wait until the 28nm process is good to go first, and for now just release a faster 5800 series card (aka 5890)...... if they can.
I know what he said, but my point is that what he said is not what the situation actually is. And it's possible to make architectural improvements to increase performance without increasing power consumption as well.
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they are probably more than capable on slamming something that will whip arse on 40nm. combination of old and new..meh.
seeing how well the 5 series did with power figures, unless they royally mess up to take the crown,it should be as good with said figures.
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And it's possible to make architectural improvements to increase performance without increasing power consumption as well.
Hopefully it'll be big improvements, otherwise ATI will be just wasting their time like they did with the 3800's. Those cards were just re-vamped 2900's with a few changes made to the R600 core, and they were marginally better.

Keep in mind that ATI also did a die shrink from 80nm to 55nm going from the 2900's to the 3800's, which obviously greatly improved efficiency, but unfortunately didn't help much else.

I just hope that after their success so far with the 4800's and 5800's they don't fall flat on their asses with the 6000 series. Only time will tell.
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wow
first time i heard someone complaining the 460GTX is too short/small
size matters?
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wow
first time i heard someone complaining the 460GTX is too short/small
size matters?
Well, if you're trying to compensate for something else...
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I think we all know these new cards are not going to be ground breaking, but AMD knows that as well. These cards are not what AMD originally wanted to release, but they were forced to change their plans when 32nm died. If they already have 40nm running successfully and are ready to start producing the new uncore/memory controller (or whatever you want to call it) section of the GPU, then why not release new cards with those components for now. I don't understand why people are complaining about advancing technologies, especially when it means these new parts (that should be faster and possibly better on energy) will likely be selling at the prices of the 5000 series cards and the 5000 series cards should drop in price.
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