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Old June 18, 2009, 12:17 PM
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I ran a ISP in the 90's most of these things were happening then, its just the ISP had the option to tell the cops to get lost.. (not a good idea)...

don't think it takes much for them to get a warrant anyways, one TRICK I saw used was go in find all your copied software, music, movies and hold/charge you with that while they dig around looking for what they really want.

after that I made sure I never had copies of anything... seems like once you do that, you've just tossed your rights out the window...
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Old June 18, 2009, 12:18 PM
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Quick encrypt the porn!

I wouldn't see the problem of doing that, if they only track down people under investigation and such. But, for child pornography and other disgusting XXX material, this new bill would be great. I mean, that's until you take out the hard drive and throw it in the lake...
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If they find the hd at the bottom of the lake they'll still get the info off it. Strong encryption is the safest bet.
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Old June 18, 2009, 01:21 PM
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If they find the hd at the bottom of the lake they'll still get the info off it. Strong encryption is the safest bet.
I do know they can find it, but it would be such an hassle no?
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Hammer anyone? The best form of encyption out there.

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Old June 18, 2009, 01:30 PM
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From most of the comments here I think the people in support of this are missing the big picture.

This is not about protecting people or catching criminals, as said they can already get this information if they have a warrant. The problem with this bill is the fact that they will be able to get all the information they want without a warrant. That is the problem. This is a very slippery slope to what can quickly become a police state.

And I don't want to hear the "I don't do anything wrong so I don't have anything to hide" Would it be ok for police to enter your home without a warrant? or without cause? Don't be so quick to throw away your freedoms.

There is a little more info on the story here:
ISPs must help police snoop on internet under new bill

and then another point of view on Michael Geist's blog:
Michael Geist - Government Introduces Bill To Require Surveillance Capabilities, Mandated Subscriber Disclosure

Remeber we have things like warrants for a reason, without court oversight then the police can track anyone they want. As one of the comments I have read elsewhere said:

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For the "if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear" crowd: this is only true if the person/government in charge of the system is honest and well-intentioned. If you get someone in government who wants to target a specific group, you're in trouble. It's happened before - Hitler, Pinochet, etc.

The reason that police need restrictions on their powers is because we can not assume that governments or their leaders will always "do the right thing." History proves that sometimes they don't.
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Old June 18, 2009, 01:45 PM
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I can't believe someone on these forums would quote Michael Geist.

Maybe someone could explain to me how this is any different than the police looking up your information with a simple license plate, driver's license or VIN search.


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The same reason why left-wing liberal douchebags are always there to push those limits to the brink and then cry foul. Much like my old car could attest to when it was torched by the leftists during one of their protests in downtown Montreal years ago. And then who was tackled by the police to the ground? Me, for going after the punks with a tire iron.
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Something tells me that hammering my hard drives while they're on fire is a pretty secure method of encryption.
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I have no problems with police coming into my house, breaking into my computer, reading my emails, etc. as long as they have a warrant. To get the warrant, a judge considers the law, rights, etc. My address, phone number, and such are already public knowledge so no biggie.

I have a problem with police intercepting my email without a warrant. My hard drive? My property. I would hate to piss off my ex-wife who happens to be a cop working in the cybercrimes division if a warrant was not needed. It seems this bill would not allow this thank goodness.

The CBC article quoted above makes an interesting note about ISPs being forced to upgrade their networks. You can be sure that a line will be added to our bills in order to meet regulations. Small ISPs worry about their survival.
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Something tells me that hammering my hard drives while they're on fire is a pretty secure method of encryption.

how about a very powerful magnet? run that over the hard drives and wipe 'em clean.

Or, as i saw somewhere, create a magnetic field generator (done with copper wiring and such) over your door frame so if the cops come and sieze your computer, quietly turn it on, and as they walk through the door frame, bam, magnetic field destabilizes and wipes out info on the drive. :P
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