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Old April 23, 2008, 12:36 AM
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Default E8400 & Rampage Formula Help Urgent !!!

Guys, can u please help me find the complete best OC setting for Scoring the best bechmark ??? I follow a competitionand i'm really a rookie in OC... i need it very urgent because i only got 6 days left... i really scared to destroy my new MOBO... But other items will given by them. So i plan to push my system a little harder (Air Cooler)

Here are my system :

MOBO : Rampage Formula x48 chipset
CPU : E8400 intel
VGA : ASUS GeForce 9600GT
RAM : TEAM XTREEM 2GB kit PC8500 C5
PSU : Cooler Master 1000W
Heat Sink : Trux + fan Or maybe Water coolant (CPU Only) Thermaltake, Ps: Please tell me which one is better for greater performance

Benchmark :
- Superpi 1.5
- 3DMarkŪ06 Basic Edition (Build 1.1.0)
- 3Dmark2001
- PC Mark 2005

Given Software :
- cpu-z 1.44,
- ATI Tool 0.27B3,
- Rivatuner 2.08 Final,
- MemSet 35Beta , V.3.0,SetFsb,ClockGen

So that's all my system... Please i really need your help guys... Thank's a lot!!!
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Old April 23, 2008, 08:11 AM
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Exclamation I dont know if thats a good idea

Overclocking is a DANGEROUS business if ya dont know what yer doing! How can you enter a competition you know next to nothin about! It's like shooting for the stanley cup and not knowing what hockey is! PLUS if WE tell you what QDR, timmings and volt settings etc to use then YOU didnt win....we would have. My system is pushed almost to its limit and I have learned some hard and expensive lessons, it is important to note that these settings also are NOT universal....they would be guidlines to follow no 2 comps are created equal. Unless someone had the EXACT clone of all yer equipment....and even then there will be variances.

And your request for an all encompassing setting is absurd dude! We would have to give ya page roughly of adjustments if ya wanted to boost that X48 to its max -I have my eye on the same board and know how ASUS BIOS screens are traditionally laid out for the various chipsets NForce, Intel etc- If you've been in the BIOS you will understand this. I wont list them but off the top of my head if ya wanted any chance of making yer unit a threat U'd be modifiying about 25-30 diff settings easily.... I'm new around here so I'll turn it to the comunity now....am I wrong here ladies and gents?

But I have wandered in my thoughts.... just to recap... DANGER WILL ROBINSON DANGER!!!! :rtfm: lol
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CPU: Intel E6600 2.66 @ 3.97
Mem: 4G 667 @ 725 4-4-4-10 CR1
Vid: MSI 8600GTS 725\1500\2250
Mobo: ASUS P5N32SLI-E BIOS 1404
PSU: 550W Modded +2 60mm Fans
HDD: Seagate 500g 7200 32M NCQ
Case: Custom, 7 external fan
mounts, 5 internal mounts
Temps: CPU: 32 @ idle
52 @ full load
GPU: 44 @ idle
54 @ full load

Theres 13 Fans crammed in there, I have no life :)

Last edited by Spectre; April 23, 2008 at 08:19 AM. Reason: spelling etc
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Old April 23, 2008, 10:52 AM
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My friend is da one who push me to enter a competition because they tell me this is a change to learn OC without risking to destroy my own property... (I only have to bring my MOBO and cooling system). *Bad boys* hihihi... Yeah i know OC is dangerous... But i have a big interest in this computing area... actually i'm a rookie in OC but i DO hav sum knowledge in computer's hardware and software...
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Old April 23, 2008, 11:32 AM
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Talking My 1st advice then

Well if yer hell bent for election to get this done then I will lend what I can to the effort

1st mission is to find where the clocks destabilize the system -NO VOLT MODDING YET, this is usually what pops a board- To my experience if you OC without bumping volts you'll max out the FSB speed or the RAM speed before heat ever becomes an issue. Its fairly safe as only once or twice in a 1000 OCs I've done, have i ever damaged somethin with THIS method....and only once permanently -this isnt my 1st P5N -E - I think yer 8400 runs at 1333 internally so it should be easy to start at 1400. My e6600 2.66 hits 1400 no worries and it runs at 1066 internally. U can link the clocks if ya want but all my best successes had manual mem speeds, I aim for 1:1 ratios to avoid bottle necks and weird dividers but In dont think U'll hit that unless yer in the darkages like me and still usin 667s -I acheive 1:1 @ 1400 by settin RAM to 700, @ 1450 725-

This should keep ya busy for a while... I recomend bumping in small incriments tho or ya risk hanging the system, which will require a reboot, dont worry nothin is dead, the system is in "stock" mode and has temporarily reset defaults. Ya just have to re enter set up and wind back the FSB or Mem speed a bit. I recommend incriments divisible by 25 or 33 -i saw it suggested elsewhere here to raise by 20- which is a friendly divider for just about all things speed related in computers -PCI runs at 33.3MHz, AGP @ 66.6 MHz, PCI-X 99.9 MHz all divisible by 33- Most CPU speeds are also divisible by 33 -eg my 2.66 e6600. There are exceptions tho... sometimes 25\50 is better. I know that sounds confusing....beleive me i said here for a while tryin to convert what i know into useful english :help: lol

So heres a simplified effort.... 2 paths:

1- raise by 25's ie 1366, 1400, 1425, 1450, 1475 etc -yer startin at 1333 remember-
2- raise by 33's ie 1366, 1400, 1433, 1466, 1500? -you MAY hit 1500 with some work-

Does any of this make sense? I can try to explain it better if I've lost ya -sorry- or perhaps our friends here can help

EDIT: I see yer RAM up there is DDR2 1066. You'll likely not be able to hit the 1:1 ratio... so we'll aim to tighten the timings and come up with a reasonable divider that doesnt bottleneck often
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Spectre's Specz:

CPU: Intel E6600 2.66 @ 3.97
Mem: 4G 667 @ 725 4-4-4-10 CR1
Vid: MSI 8600GTS 725\1500\2250
Mobo: ASUS P5N32SLI-E BIOS 1404
PSU: 550W Modded +2 60mm Fans
HDD: Seagate 500g 7200 32M NCQ
Case: Custom, 7 external fan
mounts, 5 internal mounts
Temps: CPU: 32 @ idle
52 @ full load
GPU: 44 @ idle
54 @ full load

Theres 13 Fans crammed in there, I have no life :)

Last edited by Spectre; April 23, 2008 at 11:37 AM. Reason: Read up on his RAM speed
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Old April 23, 2008, 11:33 AM
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True Canadian right there! LOL
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Old April 23, 2008, 11:45 AM
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CPU: Intel E6600 2.66 @ 3.97
Mem: 4G 667 @ 725 4-4-4-10 CR1
Vid: MSI 8600GTS 725\1500\2250
Mobo: ASUS P5N32SLI-E BIOS 1404
PSU: 550W Modded +2 60mm Fans
HDD: Seagate 500g 7200 32M NCQ
Case: Custom, 7 external fan
mounts, 5 internal mounts
Temps: CPU: 32 @ idle
52 @ full load
GPU: 44 @ idle
54 @ full load

Theres 13 Fans crammed in there, I have no life :)
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Old April 23, 2008, 10:07 PM
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1st of all, Thanks a lot spectre!!! I've tried your suggestion and with a liitle gut to do a little voltage adjustment... here is the BIOS setting that run stable on my system and raise the CPU around 3,6

Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting :
FSB Frequency : 400
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 333Mhz
PCI-E Frequency: 100Mhz
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-801Mhz
DRAM Command Rate : 2N
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 4
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 4
RAS# Precharge : 4
RAS# ActivateTime : 12
RAS# to RAS# Delay : AUTO
Row Refresh Cycle Time : AUTO
Write Recovery Time : AUTO
Read to Precharge Time : AUTO

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : AUTO
Write to Read Delay (S) : AUTO
Write to Read Delay (D) : AUTO
Read to Read Delay (S) : AUTO
Read to Read Delay (D) : AUTO
Write to Write Delay (S) : AUTO
Write to Write Delay (D) : AUTO
DRAM Static Read Control: AUTO
Ai Clock Twister : AUTO
Transaction Booster : MANUAL
Common Performance Level : 8

CPU Voltage : 1.450V
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.56V
North Bridge Voltage : 1.51V
DRAM Voltage : 2.40V
FSB Termination Voltage : 1.52V
South Bridge Voltage : 1.050
SB 1.5V Voltage : 1.50V
Loadline Calibration : Enabled
CPU GTL Reference : 0.62x
North Bridge GTL Reference : 0.63x
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage : AUTO

NB LED Selection : NB Volt
SB LED Selection : SB Volt
CPU LED Selection : CPU VOlt
Voltiminder LED :

CPU Spread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled

Advanced CPU Configuration
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting :
C1E Suppport : Disabled
CPU TM Function : Disabled
Vanderpool Technology : Disabled
Execute Disable Bit : Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit : Disabled

I think with that setting it can run in 3,6 easily... Could u pls tell me which part i need to modify to make it higher??? i know there are no Exact value in OC, just tell me please for my reference.... thank a lot for your help guys!!! i really appreciate it!!!
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Old April 23, 2008, 10:27 PM
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Oh yeah... Forgot to tell u that i'm using stock fan in previous setting... But I have thermaltake water cooling if it is necessary... Once again i'm a rookie in OC, so your suggestion is everything... i think my setting is to light for my system especially if i use water cooling... but if you say that my previous setting is enough, Then it is ENOUGH I'm not looking for a trophy here... i'm just looking for experience
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Old April 24, 2008, 12:35 AM
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Are you monitoring your temperatures? Basically, whichever system gives you lower temps is the one you want to use. TT for watercooling is kind of like fruitcake for Xmas, and the majority of their systems don't have strong enough pumps or good enough waterblocks to do a proper job. A properly mounted TRUE with a powerful fan will handle all the heat that dual-core can put out.

At this point, your only option is to push your FSB higher, since you can't increase your multiplier any higher. Are you saying that the 3.6 is as high as the chip will go? I'd expect much higher potential with so much CPU voltage, although no two chips are the same.

Off-hand, your FSB termination voltages seems a tad high. Anandtech recently posted an article explaining how they fried their QX9650 chip with too much of that, and they reference Intel's papers which claim that anything higher than 1.4V could be problematic. Whether you want to take the warning seriously or not, I've seen quite a bit of consensus that you don't need that much FSB Term voltage to push a chip high. YMMV, but I'd think you could pull that setting down a tick or two with no worries.

Pull that transaction booster/performance level down to 0 until you know you're not going to push the memory any higher. It improves memory performance at a given speed, but can keep you from running at the memory's full rated speed.

You'll get differing opinions, but I'd disable the loadline calibration. It potentially prevents excessive voltage drops, but it comes at the expense of potential voltage spikes.
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Old May 1, 2008, 07:03 AM
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CPU: Intel E6600 2.66 @ 3.97
Mem: 4G 667 @ 725 4-4-4-10 CR1
Vid: MSI 8600GTS 725\1500\2250
Mobo: ASUS P5N32SLI-E BIOS 1404
PSU: 550W Modded +2 60mm Fans
HDD: Seagate 500g 7200 32M NCQ
Case: Custom, 7 external fan
mounts, 5 internal mounts
Temps: CPU: 32 @ idle
52 @ full load
GPU: 44 @ idle
54 @ full load



how Good is taht board at overclokcing jsut pickone up from a guy who has never heard of gave him $40 bucks and now im gettin a super rig up i got the sli 8800 gts 512, 4 gigs crosshair pc6400, sli certieied ram, 650 ocz psu, 2 250 gig sata2 harrdives western and seagate, waht should i go with quad core or the e8400??
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