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Old April 16, 2008, 03:19 PM
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Hey, I'm not sure if this is the right forum, but I am planning to buy a complete system with the intention of overclocking. Aside from what I'm about to list, I plan to buy a basic water cooling system, something like the Petra's Tech Shop Basic kit (about ~150 dollars.) I plan to mount the radiator within the case, so I am getting a big case.

I'm basically just looking for suggestions on upgrades/downgrades, anything that I'm getting that is a waste of money, something I'm getting where I'm not spending enough money etc etc.

List of Parts:
1 x Cooler Master - Cosmos 1000 Silent Full Tower ( $199.95 )
1 x Intel - Core™2 Quad Processor Q6600 2.4GHz w/ 2x4MB Cache ( $264.95 )
1 x Asus - P5K-SE w/ DualDDR2 1066, 7.1 Audio, Gigabit Lan, PCI-E x16 ( $104.95 )
1 x Mushkin - EM2-6400 Enhanced DDR2 SDRAM, 4GB Dual Pack (2 x 2GB) ( $84.95 )
1 x SEAGATE - 320GB Barracuda 7200.10 SATA II w/ NCQ, 16MB Cache ( $89.95 )
1 x Samsung - SE-S203S TruDirect™ 20X Internal SATA DVD-Writer, Black ( $34.95 )
1 x eVGA - e-GeForce 9800 GX2 1GB PCI-E w/ Dual DVI, HDMI ( $599.95 )
1 x Corsair - HX 620W Modular Power Supply w/ Triple +12V ( $144.95 )
2 x Lg - Flatron L226WTY-BF 22in Widescreen LCD w/ DVI, 2ms, Black ( $549.90 )
1 x Logitech - G15 Gaming Keyboard, v.2 ( $79.95 )
1 x Logitech - G7 Laser Cordless Mouse ( $69.95 )
1 x Logitech - Z-4 2.1 Speaker System ( $99.95 )
1 x Microsoft - Windows Vista Ultimate x64 (64-bit) DVD w/ SP1, OEM, 1-Pack ( $204.95 )

Sub Total: $2,529.30 + shipping/taxes

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Old April 16, 2008, 04:28 PM
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Im tempted to say:
Upgrade:
MB-to at least the P35 P5K-E or X38 versions
RAM to the redline 2*2gb kit
PSU-to the silencer quad 750w reviewed here.
WC to a modified vortex solution (see posts) then perhaps add a larger or better rad and a res...just WC the cpu + maybe NB, buy a thermalright HR-03 for the GPU (see below).

Downgrade:
GPU-- to a GTX- the GX2 still cant run crysis all maxed out so why bother when there will be a gpu that can for the same price in about 6months.
monitor-to something cheaper-sure you can get a good 22inch panel for less than that from DC or NCIX.

Those downgrades will pay for the upgrades
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Old April 16, 2008, 04:41 PM
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Whoa. Nice.

I'm no PSU expert, but I'll say what I think anyway: I'm not sure the HX620 can power such system, once oc'ed. Don't get me wrong, it's a very potent PSU.

As for Vista, do you really need Ultimate? I understand you want 64bit for 4Gb of ram, but will you use all of Ultimate's options? Or could another less costly version of Vista be suitable for your needs?

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I think the PSU will power it, but perhaps not as comfortably as it should. Even figuring 200W for the CPU (Q6600 @ 3.6) and another 100W for each half of the GPU (mild OC), you're already at 400W, and you haven't even starting powering anything else (mobo, memory, HDD's, optical, expansion cards, water pump, etc).

Going to be a nice system when it's done!
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The PSU ought to be ample. the test systems I've seen have never drawn more than 400w (usually measured at the wall). that said, the silencer 750 is excellent (I'm using it as we speak), and seems to be of excellent quality. It even comes with a test slip proving it was individually tested, by a real person ("ted").

I would look at upgrading to either a q9300 or e8400. the extra $30 (give or take) for the 9300 gives you 2mb extra cache, and 0.1GHz, plus the benefits of the penryn 45nm architecture (very low temps, excellent OCing).
If it is a games machine, as your somewhat terrifying video card suggests, get an e8400. the higher clock should benefit you more than the loss of 2 cores hurts you in gaming, and you could save $50

On the memory, what choice you make matters almost 0. Go to tom's hardwars and take a look at their "ultimate RAM speed tests." they show a tiny difference between mid-low end and cutting edge ram. If you get a good amount of space on a high quality chip, they you've made a good choice.

I would upgrade the HDD so a seagate 7200.11 500GB. For $14 more, you get more than 50% more space, and the better performance of the .11 generation. I'm using 2, and they work great.
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Old April 16, 2008, 05:41 PM
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The P5K-SE will overclock (my Q6600 to 3.0 and my E3110 to 4.0) but it is light on bios options. Go with a DFI LANParty Dark or something like that. The Redline ram is good but I am using the HP PC2 6400 and it overclocks nicely. If you are going to be gaming stick with a wired mouse, something like a G5.

EDIT: Hdd on sale @ NCIXhttp://www.ncix.com/products/index.p...6&promoid=1008
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Old April 16, 2008, 09:42 PM
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Just a comment on the RAM: - I have the same stuff (2 x 2GB Mushkin EM2 DDR2-800) and my sticks won't overclock at all. I've tried loosening timing and upping the voltage and I couldn't get them to POST at even 410MHz. Otherwise they are perfectly fine at 400MHz.

If you stick to the Q6600 or any other CPU with a stock FSB of 266MHz you should be fine - but one of the new 45nm CPU's (E8xxx or Q9xxx) will need faster RAM to take advantage of the overclocking potential.
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Heh, I can vouch likewise for my own EM's.

At 400 Mhz, 2.0V, 4-3-3-9 timings: Absolutely rock solid through any torture test I can throw at them. At 410 Mhz, nothing makes them stable. Higher and lower voltages across the entire memory and chipset, different FSB straps, ridiculously loosened timings (including the secondary ones), extra cooling fans... NOTHING.

Mind, Charlie says that his overclock wonderfully, but I think somebody accidentally spray-painted some XP's and mispackaged them.
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Running my HP PC2-6400 2x2gb at 445Mhz/2.1v/5-5-5-15 and they are stable. Haven't tried to drop volts or tighten timings yet...can't get my kid off that computer!
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Alright based on suggestions I've updated my list. I upped the processor to a Q9450, I changed the RAM to use redline pc2-8000 (was this the correct one?), I changed the power supply to the silencer 750, upgraded the harddrive to .11 and changed the motherboard to the p5k-e. I also changed to a wired mouse (something I meant to do anyways, wired is generally more hassle than it's worth if you have a bad memory ;p).

There's still two suggestions I'm debating about. The downgrade of the video card and the downgrading of VISTA (both responses are below). This would save me about ~350 dollars, but I haven't quite decided on them yet.

Here is the updated list:

Coolermaster Cosmos Full Tower ATX Case 5X5.25 6X3.5INT No PS Front USB Firewire Audio eSATA - $190.38

Intel Core 2 Quad Q9450 Quad Core Processor LGA775 2.66GHZ Yorkfield 1333FSB 12MB OEM No HSF - $394.99

ASUS P5K-E/WIFI-AP ATX LGA775 P35 DDR2 1333FSB 2PCI-E16 3PCI 2PCI-E1 SATA2 Sound WLAN Motherboard - $152.99

Mushkin XP PC2-8000 Redline 4GB 2X2GB DDR2-1000 CL5-5-5-12 240PIN Dual Channel Memory Kit - $149.99

Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 3.5IN 500GB SATA2 8.5MS 7200RPM 32MB Cache NCQ Hard Drive - $87.98

Samsung SH-S203B Black SATA DVD+RW 20X8X16 DVD-RW 20X6X16 DL 18X/12X INT DVD Writer OEM W/ Vista SW - $25.98

EVGA E-GEFORCE 9800GX2 600MHZ 1GB 2.0GHZ GDDR3 PCI-E Dual DVI-I HDMI HDCP HDTV Out Video Card - $598.88

PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750 Quad 750W ATX V2.2 EPS12V 24PIN SLI Active PFC Power Supply Black - $149.98

LG L226WTY-BF 22IN Widescreen LCD Black 2MS 1680X1050 3000:1 300CD/M2 VGA DVI Tilt Swivel Monitor $509.96 (for two)

Logitech G15 2ND Gen Gaming Keyboard USB Black Silver Amber LCD Panel Programmable Backlit Keys - $63.99

Logitech G5 Laser Gaming Mouse 2000DPI USB BLUE/BLACK - $38.98

Logitech Z2300 Speaker System 2.1 200WRMS 400W 8IN Subwoofer - $93.99

Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate Edition 64BIT DVD OEM - $212.41

YOUR TOTAL
$2,670.50

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WC to a modified vortex solution (see posts) then perhaps add a larger or better rad and a res...just WC the cpu + maybe NB, buy a thermalright HR-03 for the GPU (see below).
I did a search on modified vortex solution and couldn't find anything (I'm probably just blind sorry =/). Could you expand on what this is or provide me with a link? As for the thermalright hr-03, that appears to be a non-WC heatsink? That will be fine if I do downgrade to a single GTX, but if i keep the gx2 I think I'll have to keep it stock cooling as it's a complicated card. The WC blocks seem to be 200 dollars for them too, so I'll probably stay away from those till I'm a bit more proficient at WC'ing.


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GPU-- to a GTX- the GX2 still cant run crysis all maxed out so why bother when there will be a gpu that can for the same price in about 6months.
monitor-to something cheaper-sure you can get a good 22inch panel for less than that from DC or NCIX.
My thought process in picking the gx2 was I was torn between it (600), and two lesser sli cards (~175 each). But then I realized I'd have to pay another ~100 for the SLI board, and I thought "meh, what's another 150 bux!". That led me onto picking between getting an 8800GTS, 8800GTX, 9800GTX and a 9800 GX2. I guess you're probably right, I probably don't need it right now. I wonder if I should just pick up the gx2 anyways and hope for a 9900 gx2 to come out within 90 days (so I can step-up with evga).

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As for Vista, do you really need Ultimate? I understand you want 64bit for 4Gb of ram, but will you use all of Ultimate's options? Or could another less costly version of Vista be suitable for your needs?
I currently have Vista Ultimate, so I figured I would just buy the same thing (I'm giving my current system to my step brother and I like to keep legal copies of windows). I think I need Ultimate for joining domains, remote desktop and media center - I could be wrong I will look into this.

Any more input? I appreciate all the responses - I apologize if the post is a bit convoluted, it's getting late!
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