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Old June 28, 2013, 01:21 PM
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So I downloaded the preview.

- The Start button is a gimmick. No previous functionality. It's just there so old people can find the Start Page. Who are they fooling? (I'm used to the start page myself, but this is stupid.)
Who says they're trying to fool anyone? The start button returned because some users had issues working with hot corners. It was never about appeasing those who miss the start menu; nor "fooling" them.

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- Why boot to the desktop if the start button just takes you to the start page?
There are other ways to launch apps.

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And speaking of OSs every place that I go to be it the bank or doc office I noticed that they are all still using windows xp I think it has to do with the licensing fees and now when they stop updating windows xp security all of these companies will be "forced" to upgrade and pay thousands of dollars which is why I really like the Linux OS
Windows XP was launched in 2001. It was replaced in 2006. It's unreasonable to expect Microsoft to update a product indefinitely. In general, Microsoft has the longest support lifecycle in the business; by far.

Canonical used to provide support for 18 months after an Ubuntu Linux release, but that has been reduced to 9 months. That means no security updates. You are forced to upgrade and may have to learn an entirely new desktop environment; not to mention issues related to the upgrade, depending on what software/customizations you have installed. It's really a nightmare for some people.

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I also thing that Android is very close to Linux isn't it?
Android uses the Linux kernel. Android is completely different than a typical GNU Linux distribution, such as Ubuntu, which also uses the Linux kernel. The use of the Linux kernel, in both cases, is completely invisible to most end-users. They do not directly interact with it.

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Old July 1, 2013, 04:13 AM
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I think that most people (including myself) automatically assumed that Start Button = Start Menu. With the various reports I saw, there was no indication otherwise.

Windows XP support has been great if you ask me; been out for 12 years. Companies are notorious for hanging on to software that their staff know how to use and 'just works'. Hell, if you go to your local Canadian Tire store and watch your local CSR rep look up an item for you the system they will use is AS400 (I know it as we still have it at work for a couple of applications). That platform was released in the 80s. My work still employs someone who knows AS400 inside-out for this reason. I suspect someone on this forum will keep their job just because some critical app that is very outdated needs some kind of support.
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I appreciate that MS is trying to progress their OS rather than just re-releasing the same thing with a few GUI tweaks over and over, but I feel like this was just way too much of a change for most people to be comfortable with. And after receiving a ton of flak they refused to budge and just made a couple near useless updates. I've tried W8 and I don't like it at all for desktop use with keyboard/mouse. For a touch screen notebook or tablet, maybe it's better. I'm looking at buying a new laptop for my dad who is still on XP and I know that he won't be able to use 8 nearly as effectively as W7. So I guess I have to buy a new laptop and then also find a copy of W7...
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I appreciate that MS is trying to progress their OS rather than just re-releasing the same thing with a few GUI tweaks over and over, but I feel like this was just way too much of a change for most people to be comfortable with. And after receiving a ton of flak they refused to budge and just made a couple near useless updates. I've tried W8 and I don't like it at all for desktop use with keyboard/mouse. For a touch screen notebook or tablet, maybe it's better. I'm looking at buying a new laptop for my dad who is still on XP and I know that he won't be able to use 8 nearly as effectively as W7. So I guess I have to buy a new laptop and then also find a copy of W7...
Dell's business line of laptops still offers windows 7 as an option.
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For the record I like the start screen - thanks to my mouse being set at 1000 DPI and high acceleration I'm faster with it than the Win7 start menu since I can be lazier with my mouse movements to select an app. EDIT: I activate start screen with my left hand pressing the button on my keyboard and my right on the mouse ready to pounce on the tile I want.
What I don't like about Windows 8, which still hasn't been fixed in 8.1, is that the desktop vs tablet identity crisis has a big impact on the user experience.

I haven't tried it yet, but from what I see in Windows 8.1 previews all of this confusion still remains:
- Try setting your wifi for WPA-Enterprise: You'll connect to the network in "Metro" mode, then have to get into Desktop mode to set the certificates, and again back to "Metro" to set your file sharing preferences.
- Two different "app switchers": In desktop mode you have the taskbar at the bottom of the screen, in "Metro" mode you have the hidden panel on the left side of the screen.
- Insert a USB stick. You have a prompt that goes away after a few seconds on the top-right of the screen in "Metro" style. If you want to view files on the stick you're dumped to Desktop.

I'd actually have preferred if they went "all-in" with "Metro" if they are pushing towards that direction. Of course I'd also welcome the ability to stay in Desktop mode for everything, but in either case just make it so you're not switching all the time. I definitely think the UI is a lot more important than this odd push for cloud itegration, animated start screens, etc.
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I see that crazyea figured out how to add back the libraries in folder view, you can also rename "This PC" to whatever you want by just right-clicking it and selecting "rename". This will change it everywhere as soon as you re-open windows that contain the old name.
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What is really bugging me is the amazing lack of windows 7 drivers for new notebooks that are getting shipped with windows 8. The only machines that I am leaving 8 on at work are things like the Asus Taichi which has the touch screen. Other than that I have been putting windows 7 on all of them but almost all of them do not even list windows 7 drivers on their sites any more. I really do have to wonder if Microsoft is leaning on OEMs to only supply win 8 drivers to help convince people to stay with win 8.
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What is really bugging me is the amazing lack of windows 7 drivers for new notebooks that are getting shipped with windows 8. The only machines that I am leaving 8 on at work are things like the Asus Taichi which has the touch screen. Other than that I have been putting windows 7 on all of them but almost all of them do not even list windows 7 drivers on their sites any more. I really do have to wonder if Microsoft is leaning on OEMs to only supply win 8 drivers to help convince people to stay with win 8.
Strangely enough, just yesterday I checked for win 7 drivers on a current ASUS laptop and was happy to see that they were available.

That said..... I wouldn't be surprised if there were some shenanigans going on at the request of Microsoft wrt win 7 drivers.
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Yes, it is in the 8.1 preview.
I must say it looks really convenient to me.
But yeah the rest is just unnecessary BS.
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