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Old September 13, 2012, 06:45 AM
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Default Frustrated with Linux (Ubuntu) - AMD Catalyst Drivers

First off, let's just say that I am new to Linux. VERY new. But I just can't believe how difficult it can be to install some GPU drivers. I've made a box with a 5870 in it and no matter what I do, after reading different tutorials, I end up getting either failed packages installed and I can't repair them, or an endless loop of errors.

Can someone help me out here? I'm trying to install some stinkin' AMD proprietary drivers here. Catalyst 12.8. Ubuntu 12.04 LTS.
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Old September 13, 2012, 09:05 AM
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amd and Linux is like water and oil. There is a reason why nvidia cards are recommended for Linux.

With that said paste the errors showing up and I could perhaps help you.
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Old September 13, 2012, 09:55 AM
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Yeah I was simply salvaging parts from an old build and happened to have the 5870. Good to know that AMD can't provide easy-to-install drivers for Linux.

Thanks for your offer to help, but I've ditched Ubuntu and installed Windows believe it or not. Seems to me like you can't navigate Ubuntu without using Terminal at least once.
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Old September 13, 2012, 10:08 AM
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How are you installing these drivers out of curiosity?
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Old September 13, 2012, 10:15 AM
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Yes the ATI drivers are tricky I used to always have problems but usually fix it in the xorg.conf
my older xorg.conf looked like this mind you this was back in 2008 and there was allot in here that I didn't need also it was for my 3870 the bolded line is usually what helped me out after I tried to install the driver
. I would have to access the xorg.config using vim I believe because my desktop wouldn't load and of course your xorg.conf would be allot different then mine but this kind of gives you an idea of what you mostlikely need to change, just make sure that you back up your original xorgconf .
but I suggest going to linuxquestions.org they always answered all of my questions I usually would get reply's within minutes
Code:
 /.../
#

Section "ServerLayout"
	Identifier     "Layout[all]"
	Screen         "Screen[0]" 0 0
	InputDevice    "Keyboard[0]" "CoreKeyboard"
	InputDevice    "Mouse[1]" "CorePointer"
	Option	    "Clone" "off"
	Option	    "Xinerama" "off"
EndSection

Section "Files"
	InputDevices   "/dev/gpmdata"
	InputDevices   "/dev/input/mice"
	FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/misc:unscaled"
	FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/local"
	FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/75dpi:unscaled"
	FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/100dpi:unscaled"
	FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/Type1"
	FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/URW"
	FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/Speedo"
	FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/PEX"
	FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/cyrillic"
	FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/latin2/misc:unscaled"
	FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/latin2/75dpi:unscaled"
	FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/latin2/100dpi:unscaled"
	FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/latin2/Type1"
	FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/latin7/75dpi:unscaled"
	FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/baekmuk:unscaled"
	FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/japanese:unscaled"
	FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/kwintv"
	FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/truetype"
	FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/uni:unscaled"
	FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/CID"
	FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/ucs/misc:unscaled"
	FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/ucs/75dpi:unscaled"
	FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/ucs/100dpi:unscaled"
	FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/hellas/misc:unscaled"
	FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/hellas/75dpi:unscaled"
	FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/hellas/100dpi:unscaled"
	FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/hellas/Type1"
	FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/misc/sgi:unscaled"
	FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/xtest"
	FontPath     "/opt/kde3/share/fonts"
EndSection

Section "Module"
	Load  "dbe"
	Load  "type1"
	Load  "freetype"
	Load  "extmod"
	Load  "glx"
EndSection

Section "ServerFlags"
	Option	    "AllowMouseOpenFail" "on"
	Option	    "ZapWarning" "on"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
	Identifier  "Keyboard[0]"
	Driver      "kbd"
	Option	    "Protocol" "Standard"
	Option	    "XkbLayout" "us"
	Option	    "XkbModel" "microsoftpro"
	Option	    "XkbRules" "xfree86"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
	Identifier  "Mouse[1]"
	Driver      "mouse"
	Option	    "Buttons" "12"
	Option	    "Device" "/dev/input/mice"
	Option	    "Name" "A4 Tech PS/2+USB Mouse"
	Option	    "Protocol" "explorerps/2"
	Option	    "Vendor" "Sysp"
	Option	    "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
EndSection

Section "Modes"
	Identifier     "Modes[0]"
	ModeLine     "1680x1050" 144.6 1680 1784 1968 2256 1050 1051 1054 1086
	ModeLine     "1680x1050" 115.0 1680 1728 1760 1840 1050 1053 1059 1079 +hsync -vsync
	ModeLine     "1280x1024" 138.5 1280 1368 1504 1728 1024 1025 1028 1069
	ModeLine     "1280x1024" 128.9 1280 1368 1504 1728 1024 1025 1028 1066
	ModeLine     "1280x1024" 119.4 1280 1368 1504 1728 1024 1025 1028 1063
	ModeLine     "1280x1024" 113.0 1280 1328 1360 1440 1024 1027 1034 1061 +hsync -vsync
	ModeLine     "1280x1024" 108.9 1280 1360 1496 1712 1024 1025 1028 1060
	ModeLine     "1280x960" 129.9 1280 1368 1504 1728 960 961 964 1002
	ModeLine     "1280x960" 120.8 1280 1368 1504 1728 960 961 964 999
	ModeLine     "1280x960" 111.0 1280 1360 1496 1712 960 961 964 997
	ModeLine     "1280x960" 105.8 1280 1328 1360 1440 960 963 967 994 +hsync -vsync
	ModeLine     "1280x960" 102.1 1280 1360 1496 1712 960 961 964 994
	ModeLine     "1152x864" 105.0 1152 1224 1352 1552 864 865 868 902
	ModeLine     "1152x864" 96.8 1152 1224 1344 1536 864 865 868 900
	ModeLine     "1152x864" 89.6 1152 1224 1344 1536 864 865 868 897
	ModeLine     "1152x864" 86.8 1152 1200 1232 1312 864 867 871 895 +hsync -vsync
	ModeLine     "1152x864" 81.6 1152 1216 1336 1520 864 865 868 895
	ModeLine     "1024x768" 81.8 1024 1080 1192 1360 768 769 772 802
	ModeLine     "1024x768" 76.2 1024 1080 1192 1360 768 769 772 800
	ModeLine     "1024x768" 69.7 1024 1080 1184 1344 768 769 772 798
	ModeLine     "1024x768" 69.5 1024 1072 1104 1184 768 771 775 796 +hsync -vsync
	ModeLine     "1024x768" 64.1 1024 1080 1184 1344 768 769 772 795
	ModeLine     "800x600" 48.9 800 840 920 1040 600 601 604 627
	ModeLine     "800x600" 45.5 800 840 920 1040 600 601 604 625
	ModeLine     "800x600" 44.0 800 848 880 960 600 603 607 622 +hsync -vsync
	ModeLine     "800x600" 42.1 800 840 920 1040 600 601 604 623
	ModeLine     "800x600" 38.2 800 832 912 1024 600 601 604 622
	ModeLine     "1680x1050" 146.0 1680 1960 2136 2240 1050 1053 1059 1089 +hsync -vsync
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
	Identifier   "Monitor[0]"
	VendorName   "ACI"
	ModelName    "ASUS VW198"
	UseModes     "Modes[0]"
	DisplaySize  450	300
	HorizSync    30.0 - 85.0
	VertRefresh  43.0 - 75.0
	Option	    "DPMS"
	Option	    "PreferredMode" "1680x1050"
EndSection

Section "Device"

  #BusID        "1:0:0"
	Identifier  "Device[0]"
	Driver      "fglrx"
	VendorName  "ATI"
	BoardName   "ATI Radeon HD3870"
	Option	    "monitor-DVI-I_1/digital" "Monitor[0]"
	Option	    "EnableMonitor" "tv,tmds1"
	Option	    "DesktopSetup" "horizontal"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
	Identifier "Screen[0]"
	Device     "Device[0]"
	Monitor    "Monitor[0]"
	DefaultDepth     24
	SubSection "Display"
		Depth     15
		Modes    "1680x1050" "1280x1024" "1280x960" "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600"
	EndSubSection
	SubSection "Display"
		Depth     16
		Modes    "1680x1050" "1280x1024" "1280x960" "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600"
	EndSubSection
	SubSection "Display"
		Depth     24
		Modes    "1680x1050" "1280x1024" "1280x960" "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600"
	EndSubSection
	SubSection "Display"
		Depth     8
		Modes    "1680x1050" "1280x1024" "1280x960" "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600"
	EndSubSection
EndSection

Section "DRI"
	Group        "video"
	Mode         0660
EndSection
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Old September 13, 2012, 11:43 AM
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Funny I've been using ATI cards in Linux since my VGAWonderlxl24 and never had a problem, though some people have. Perhaps you might start by installing using the free drivers and get things working and then try installing AMD's drivers if you find you need them.

BTW, nVidia isn't "recommended" on Linux any more than ATI is. There is the same red/green divide as exists independant of OS. In fact the video that seems to work best with fewest problems is Intel.
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Old September 13, 2012, 03:42 PM
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What I don't understand is why would AMD or Nvidia not work with popular Linux distros to ensure that drivers were compiled with all the necessities in the first place.

Sure, I know how to navigate Windows quite well and change settings, etc., but to have to download these crazy libraries just to install one driver is beyond insane. If Linux wants to obtain more marketshare, developers and hardware manufacturers should be working together to fix this issue.
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Old September 13, 2012, 04:01 PM
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What I don't understand is why would AMD or Nvidia not work with popular Linux distros to ensure that drivers were compiled with all the necessities in the first place.

Sure, I know how to navigate Windows quite well and change settings, etc., but to have to download these crazy libraries just to install one driver is beyond insane. If Linux wants to obtain more marketshare, developers and hardware manufacturers should be working together to fix this issue.
drivers from nvidia for Linux actually install and work well. I have used them on various machines with no problems.

unlike windows its upto the user of what is installed in a Linux os which is part of the freedom and something you don't get with windows.
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Old September 14, 2012, 11:00 AM
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What I don't understand is why would AMD or Nvidia not work with popular Linux distros to ensure that drivers were compiled with all the necessities in the first place.

Sure, I know how to navigate Windows quite well and change settings, etc., but to have to download these crazy libraries just to install one driver is beyond insane. If Linux wants to obtain more marketshare, developers and hardware manufacturers should be working together to fix this issue.
Don't blame the developers, blame the hardware manufacturers. They spend their time and resources on the multi-billion dollar Windows market, which like it or not is the largest and has the most inertia. There are also manufacturers who have to be dragged kicking and screaming to have anything to do with open source software (Broadcom and nVidia are prime examples) and even then refuse to provide needed help in improving things (nVidia is a perfect case in point).

It's all about $$$$$ and since there isn't as much to be made in the FOSS world, it gets less attention, even by those manufacturers who provide data on their products like Intel and ATI.

BTW, those "crazy libraries" exist in Windows too. It's just that they either ship with Windows (supplied by the manufacturers to Microsoft) or are installed as part of the driver installer when you install a new driver package.

Windows can have its' own share of driver problems with manufacturers too. They just tend to get sorted out faster is all.
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Don't blame the developers, blame the hardware manufacturers. They spend their time and resources on the multi-billion dollar Windows market, which like it or not is the largest and has the most inertia. There are also manufacturers who have to be dragged kicking and screaming to have anything to do with open source software (Broadcom and nVidia are prime examples) and even then refuse to provide needed help in improving things (nVidia is a perfect case in point).

It's all about $$$$$ and since there isn't as much to be made in the FOSS world, it gets less attention, even by those manufacturers who provide data on their products like Intel and ATI.

BTW, those "crazy libraries" exist in Windows too. It's just that they either ship with Windows (supplied by the manufacturers to Microsoft) or are installed as part of the driver installer when you install a new driver package.

Windows can have its' own share of driver problems with manufacturers too. They just tend to get sorted out faster is all.
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